Comments on: Disappointment http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/ Tracking Minnesota Politics Since 2005 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:55:49 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kerosene Hat http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3340 Kerosene Hat Fri, 04 May 2007 19:59:11 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3340 After looking at the map of the 6th I found there are 37 Minnesota House and Senate members who's districts are at least partially cover the same area. Of those members only 12 are Democrats and all but three are first termers. Those three are Tarryl Clark and Don Betzold on the Senate side and Larry Hosch in the house. I don't think Don lives in the 6th, Fridley, even though his district has some common area. That would leave Tarryl and Larry as the only two DFL'rs who hold office right now in the 6th that have shown they can be reelected in an area that is very, very hard for Democrats. Someone that doesn't hold office right now is a possibility as well but it would be nice to have somebody that has some name recognition with voters. After looking at the map of the 6th I found there are 37 Minnesota House and Senate members who’s districts are at least partially cover the same area. Of those members only 12 are Democrats and all but three are first termers. Those three are Tarryl Clark and Don Betzold on the Senate side and Larry Hosch in the house. I don’t think Don lives in the 6th, Fridley, even though his district has some common area. That would leave Tarryl and Larry as the only two DFL’rs who hold office right now in the 6th that have shown they can be reelected in an area that is very, very hard for Democrats.

Someone that doesn’t hold office right now is a possibility as well but it would be nice to have somebody that has some name recognition with voters.

]]> By: Me http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3343 Me Fri, 04 May 2007 16:43:27 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3343 I think that we need a new TV/Media company to deliver LEFT ideas, we need a company to do exactly what fox is doing and help get our message out to the masses! It is clear that the DFL'rs have a harder time communicating their points to the mass public and this has to change, after election reform of course, hehe. Don't even get me started on election reform, without it, there's no democracy. http://www.TCPedia.com The 'new' Twin Cities Encyclopedia I think that we need a new TV/Media company to deliver LEFT ideas, we need a company to do exactly what fox is doing and help get our message out to the masses! It is clear that the DFL’rs have a harder time communicating their points to the mass public and this has to change, after election reform of course, hehe. Don’t even get me started on election reform, without it, there’s no democracy.

http://www.TCPedia.com The ‘new’ Twin Cities Encyclopedia

]]> By: Kerosene Hat http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3342 Kerosene Hat Fri, 04 May 2007 15:08:01 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3342 I really think the DFL machine as dysfunctional as it is will do its best to make sure a DFLer that has paid their dues will get the nomination for the Senate seat. I think this is especially true given how vulnerable Norm is how polarizing Franken would be. As for the 6th the DFL has to find somebody conservative enough, simple as that. The anti-abortion contingent is huge in that area and a pro-life candidate would have an uphill battle no matter what with the large number of people in that area that just won't vote for a pro-choice candidate. I also doubt that any of the big name DFL people will run. Why would the likes of Clark risk loosing to Bachman and end her career? It would be better to find a charming "everyman" that has the right social credentials and give her or him a shot at the lunitic Bachman. I really think the DFL machine as dysfunctional as it is will do its best to make sure a DFLer that has paid their dues will get the nomination for the Senate seat. I think this is especially true given how vulnerable Norm is how polarizing Franken would be.

As for the 6th the DFL has to find somebody conservative enough, simple as that. The anti-abortion contingent is huge in that area and a pro-life candidate would have an uphill battle no matter what with the large number of people in that area that just won’t vote for a pro-choice candidate.

I also doubt that any of the big name DFL people will run. Why would the likes of Clark risk loosing to Bachman and end her career? It would be better to find a charming “everyman” that has the right social credentials and give her or him a shot at the lunitic Bachman.

]]> By: Dan http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3341 Dan Fri, 04 May 2007 14:18:10 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3341 Stop with the cheap shots on Borene. Hatch and Franken's bad behavior is fair game, but this is a guy who had personal issues. And after those issues came to a head, he got out of the race. Stop with the cheap shots on Borene. Hatch and Franken’s bad behavior is fair game, but this is a guy who had personal issues. And after those issues came to a head, he got out of the race.

]]> By: Eva Young http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3332 Eva Young Fri, 04 May 2007 03:03:53 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3332 The DFL - and Franken - did much to promote Andrew Borene - and he ended up embarrassing the local party unit big time. It will be interesting to see if they make the same mistake again. The DFL - and Franken - did much to promote Andrew Borene - and he ended up embarrassing the local party unit big time. It will be interesting to see if they make the same mistake again.

]]> By: demure one http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3339 demure one Fri, 04 May 2007 02:38:03 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3339 Josh, Funny you should mention Roger Moe and Mike Hatch. For both of them the endorsement process was one ugly show that did indeed underscore the fact that this is a "good-old-boys" organization... Electability? What's that? It's about being owed something - not having a team-player mentality. What if Moe had backed Dutcher? Hmmm...what if he had opted to be the Lieutenant Governor? None of this has anything to do with a winning strategy - it's all about ego...which of course brings us to Franken...and if being in the race the longest and having the highest name recognition are the characteristics you cherish in a candidate well..there really isn't anything to debate. And quite frankly I think he will get the endorsement and that explains a lot about why government is in such sad shape... Josh,
Funny you should mention Roger Moe and Mike Hatch. For both of them the endorsement process was one ugly show that did indeed underscore the fact that this is a “good-old-boys” organization… Electability? What’s that? It’s about being owed something - not having a team-player mentality. What if Moe had backed Dutcher? Hmmm…what if he had opted to be the Lieutenant Governor? None of this has anything to do with a winning strategy - it’s all about ego…which of course brings us to Franken…and if being in the race the longest and having the highest name recognition are the characteristics you cherish in a candidate well..there really isn’t anything to debate. And quite frankly I think he will get the endorsement and that explains a lot about why government is in such sad shape…

]]> By: Kathy http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3334 Kathy Thu, 03 May 2007 20:50:57 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3334 Michelle Bachmann's refusal to confront her cosntituency will hurt her in the long run. She has to explain why she is against Veteran's getting started in business, or why she opposes Seniors getting cheaper medications, etc. She is not thinking with her head, that is for sure. I agree that a Tim Walz like candidate needs to come forth and challange Bachmann like Tim did Gil. Bachmann may have her neocon base, but not everyone in the 6th is against everything she voted NO on. Michelle Bachmann’s refusal to confront her cosntituency will hurt her in the long run. She has to explain why she is against Veteran’s getting started in business, or why she opposes Seniors getting cheaper medications, etc. She is not thinking with her head, that is for sure.

I agree that a Tim Walz like candidate needs to come forth and challange Bachmann like Tim did Gil. Bachmann may have her neocon base, but not everyone in the 6th is against everything she voted NO on.

]]> By: Josh http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3335 Josh Thu, 03 May 2007 20:20:19 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3335 demure one, are you referring to Andrew Borene as your example for what was wrong with DFL legislative races? Because that's a bit of a cheap shot. Especially since his campaign problems were entirely of a personal nature, not because of his attitude towards the party, inexperience, or support for the platform. (and let's not pretend that there was this uniform support from the party apparatus for him either; a whole hell of a lot of people were beyond tepid in their support because they didn't feel like pouring resources into a race in Edina) I also don't understand how Franken is one of the "entitled" ones. That label could fit Roger Moe or Mike Hatch, people with a long history in the party wanting a shot at the top of the ticket. Franken right now is the guy who has the highest name recognition and has been running the longest. Who & what he really is as a candidate is yet to be determined, though he is running hard for the endorsement. The Hatch comparison may work via temperament, but otherwise it's a bad fit. demure one, are you referring to Andrew Borene as your example for what was wrong with DFL legislative races? Because that’s a bit of a cheap shot. Especially since his campaign problems were entirely of a personal nature, not because of his attitude towards the party, inexperience, or support for the platform. (and let’s not pretend that there was this uniform support from the party apparatus for him either; a whole hell of a lot of people were beyond tepid in their support because they didn’t feel like pouring resources into a race in Edina)

I also don’t understand how Franken is one of the “entitled” ones. That label could fit Roger Moe or Mike Hatch, people with a long history in the party wanting a shot at the top of the ticket. Franken right now is the guy who has the highest name recognition and has been running the longest. Who & what he really is as a candidate is yet to be determined, though he is running hard for the endorsement. The Hatch comparison may work via temperament, but otherwise it’s a bad fit.

]]> By: Hal Kimball http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3344 Hal Kimball Thu, 03 May 2007 20:10:39 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3344 We knew Bachmann would oppose the vast majority of the bills she has opposed thus far. Her track record was clear as a uber neo conservative who will carry the Bush agenda until the bitter end. She has a strong base in the 6th. She justifies her voting record amongst her conservative base, plays the Taxpayer Bill of Rights card ad nauseum, and has the strong support of the religious community. She will also be the darling of the GOP convention in St Paul in 2008. She'll get a lot of face time and the conservative base will prop her up, positioning her for bigger things in the future. Her future is much brighter than T-Paw's right now...as painful as that is to say outloud, it's reality. Despite being outspent by Patty Wetterling by nearly a million dollars, she solidly kept the 6th CD Red. We need a "Tim Walz" type candidate to emerge in the 6th. We did not see Patty out in our neck of the woods, the northwest portion of the 6th, after the Cokato Corn Carnvial parade in August. Her people came out to doorknock with us for the first time 11 days before the election. I think Clark sees how conservative the area is at this point and simply will not put herself in the position to possibly lose to Bachmann. Her losses to Kleis up here caused many to believe that she would never be able to make it. That stigma would regenerate itself if she ran unsuccessfully against Bachmann. I think Tinklenberg could do well out here, working to divide the religious vote out here. Not sure about Hill, I'd like to see him get out and about in the 6th. It's going to be an interesting race out here in 08. Despite Bachmann's mistakes, the conservative groups are going to rally around her and work hard to save her ass. I hate to be a naysayer, but it'll take a combination of a great candidate, fundraising equal to 06 Wetterling, a great field plan, and some luck to beat Bachmann. We knew Bachmann would oppose the vast majority of the bills she has opposed thus far. Her track record was clear as a uber neo conservative who will carry the Bush agenda until the bitter end.

She has a strong base in the 6th. She justifies her voting record amongst her conservative base, plays the Taxpayer Bill of Rights card ad nauseum, and has the strong support of the religious community.

She will also be the darling of the GOP convention in St Paul in 2008. She’ll get a lot of face time and the conservative base will prop her up, positioning her for bigger things in the future. Her future is much brighter than T-Paw’s right now…as painful as that is to say outloud, it’s reality.

Despite being outspent by Patty Wetterling by nearly a million dollars, she solidly kept the 6th CD Red.

We need a “Tim Walz” type candidate to emerge in the 6th. We did not see Patty out in our neck of the woods, the northwest portion of the 6th, after the Cokato Corn Carnvial parade in August.

Her people came out to doorknock with us for the first time 11 days before the election.

I think Clark sees how conservative the area is at this point and simply will not put herself in the position to possibly lose to Bachmann. Her losses to Kleis up here caused many to believe that she would never be able to make it. That stigma would regenerate itself if she ran unsuccessfully against Bachmann.

I think Tinklenberg could do well out here, working to divide the religious vote out here.

Not sure about Hill, I’d like to see him get out and about in the 6th.

It’s going to be an interesting race out here in 08. Despite Bachmann’s mistakes, the conservative groups are going to rally around her and work hard to save her ass.

I hate to be a naysayer, but it’ll take a combination of a great candidate, fundraising equal to 06 Wetterling, a great field plan, and some luck to beat Bachmann.

]]> By: demure one http://mnpublius.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3337 demure one Thu, 03 May 2007 19:32:06 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/05/disappointment/#comment-3337 Yes Franken does have the right to pursue the nomination. It does appear he is getting support from the DFL machine - being able to introduce Keith Ellison on national television is an excellent example of this. Here's the thing - Franken does not articulate specifics - he appears really shallow...his most recent message - message two or three on his webpage underscores this problem - and he comes with baggage galore. What the Democratic Party needs to discuss is how to get candidates who will support their party platform well...people who are articulate, dedicated, and even-tempered individuals. Far too often - like in the case of Mike Hatch - it's the entitled one who gets the nod - not the person who can articulate the Democratic message best and function professionally. Even if you look at legislative races - a candidate with little experience, a guy who stated things like he joined the Marines because he wanted to travel the world with guns - is cast as the rising star of the Democratic Party while the DFL challenger to conservative Thomas Neuville gets little support because she isn't the magnificient hollow hero figure who blazes on to the stage - with an "I'll save the party sweetie" attitude. Anyway...Franken fits the mold of the entitled one well and this will work to his advantage in the Democratic Party...call it the "Hatch Syndrome" Yes Franken does have the right to pursue the nomination. It does appear he is getting support from the DFL machine - being able to introduce Keith Ellison on national television is an excellent example of this. Here’s the thing - Franken does not articulate specifics - he appears really shallow…his most recent message - message two or three on his webpage underscores this problem - and he comes with baggage galore. What the Democratic Party needs to discuss is how to get candidates who will support their party platform well…people who are articulate, dedicated, and even-tempered individuals. Far too often - like in the case of Mike Hatch - it’s the entitled one who gets the nod - not the person who can articulate the Democratic message best and function professionally. Even if you look at legislative races - a candidate with little experience, a guy who stated things like he joined the Marines because he wanted to travel the world with guns - is cast as the rising star of the Democratic Party while the DFL challenger to conservative Thomas Neuville gets little support because she isn’t the magnificient hollow hero figure who blazes on to the stage - with an “I’ll save the party sweetie” attitude.
Anyway…Franken fits the mold of the entitled one well and this will work to his advantage in the Democratic Party…call it the “Hatch Syndrome”

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