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		<title>By: Another poll, another bad day for Coleman at MNpublius.com</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5334</link>
		<dc:creator>Another poll, another bad day for Coleman at MNpublius.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] numbers track pretty closely with a Survey USA poll that came out a month [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] numbers track pretty closely with a Survey USA poll that came out a month&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5333</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you notice the time stamp,I posted well before the tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you notice the time stamp,I posted well before the&nbsp;tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5332</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 04:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan and Rick,

I guess we'll have to get back to the regular give and take of politics sooner rather than later -- I'd rather wait myself.  But before you spout off to me about how Republicans are being obstructionist and how the war is a failure, read this article from the Washington Post where Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC and third in line in the House) said up to 47 Democrats wouldn't even vote to end the war if the surge is succeeding (as even the New York Times acknowledged yesterday).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan and Rick,</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll have to get back to the regular give and take of politics sooner rather than later&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;I&#8217;d rather wait myself.  But before you spout off to me about how Republicans are being obstructionist and how the war is a failure, read this article from the Washington Post where Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC and third in line in the House) said up to 47 Democrats wouldn&#8217;t even vote to end the war if the surge is succeeding (as even the New York Times acknowledged yesterday).&nbsp;<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5331</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 04:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we need a lesson in American government here, guys?

While there are a lot of things the Democrats can't agree on, when they pass a bill (and they have passed bills), that is all the agreement they need. Now if Bush signs a bill passed by the Democratic House and Senate, it becomes law.   If Bush vetos the bill, and the Republican minority sustains the veto, then it is, in fact, the Republicans who have "obstructed" what the Democrats wanted to do.  Its the same thing with the cloture votes - the Democrats vote for something, but it goes nowhere because the Republicans keep them from getting 60 votes.

Now, I am not using "obstructed" as a negative term.  The Republicans have the right to obstruct Democratic legislation, just as Bush has the right to veto it.  That is how the system works.   But it will be very clear to voters in 2008 that the Democrats are working to end the war and the Republicans have obstructed those efforts and are working to keep the war going.

As to the success of the surge, didn't the Sunnis just quit the gover-- you know what, never mind.  Why even bother.  If you guys want to believe the surge is working, that's great.  I hope you keep on believing that right up until the 2008 elections.

"THEY WILL GREET US AS LIBERATORS!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we need a lesson in American government here, guys?</p>
<p>While there are a lot of things the Democrats can&#8217;t agree on, when they pass a bill (and they have passed bills), that is all the agreement they need. Now if Bush signs a bill passed by the Democratic House and Senate, it becomes law.   If Bush vetos the bill, and the Republican minority sustains the veto, then it is, in fact, the Republicans who have &#8220;obstructed&#8221; what the Democrats wanted to do.  Its the same thing with the cloture votes - the Democrats vote for something, but it goes nowhere because the Republicans keep them from getting 60 votes.</p>
<p>Now, I am not using &#8220;obstructed&#8221; as a negative term.  The Republicans have the right to obstruct Democratic legislation, just as Bush has the right to veto it.  That is how the system works.   But it will be very clear to voters in 2008 that the Democrats are working to end the war and the Republicans have obstructed those efforts and are working to keep the war going.</p>
<p>As to the success of the surge, didn&#8217;t the Sunnis just quit the gover&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;you know what, never mind.  Why even bother.  If you guys want to believe the surge is working, that&#8217;s great.  I hope you keep on believing that right up until the 2008 elections.</p>
<p>&#8220;THEY WILL GREET US AS&nbsp;LIBERATORS!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5330</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, Little Obstruction? Only more cloture votes than ever before in the history of senate for the time frame. Who do you think you're kidding with that weak cheese. You are such a tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, Little Obstruction? Only more cloture votes than ever before in the history of senate for the time frame. Who do you think you&#8217;re kidding with that weak cheese. You are such a&nbsp;tool.</p>
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		<title>By: wtm</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5329</link>
		<dc:creator>wtm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, it's going to be a big problem among the electorate if the surge is successful because what party wants to be against winning a war?  But it will also be a big problem among the Democrat base if the Democrat Congress doesn't continue its march to defeat because that's what the base wants.  So, you see, you can't have it both ways, and blaming it on the GOP is a lame cop-out because you are the governing party.

Voters expect results, and now that they aren't seeing any from the Democrat-controlled Congress, other than conducting partisan investigations, they aren't liking it too much, hence the abysmal approval ratings for Congress.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it&#8217;s going to be a big problem among the electorate if the surge is successful because what party wants to be against winning a war?  But it will also be a big problem among the Democrat base if the Democrat Congress doesn&#8217;t continue its march to defeat because that&#8217;s what the base wants.  So, you see, you can&#8217;t have it both ways, and blaming it on the GOP is a lame cop-out because you are the governing party.</p>
<p>Voters expect results, and now that they aren&#8217;t seeing any from the Democrat-controlled Congress, other than conducting partisan investigations, they aren&#8217;t liking it too much, hence the abysmal approval ratings for Congress.  Keep up the good&nbsp;work.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5328</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy,

Come on, you're smarter than that.  There has been little "obstruction" in fact.  The Dems can't even agree among themselves on spending and other issues.  They have spent more time re-naming federal buildings and launching investigations than anything else.

Moreover, on the Iraq issue, there have been several news stories, including an article in the NY Times on Monday, about how the surge is working and violence is lessening all across Iraq.  Yesterday a Washington Post reporter asked Rep. James Clyburn how Democrats would react if Gen. Petraeus said in September that the surge is successful and we would be foolish to pull out now.  Clyburn's response was, "It would be a real big problem for us" if the surge worked.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy,</p>
<p>Come on, you&#8217;re smarter than that.  There has been little &#8220;obstruction&#8221; in fact.  The Dems can&#8217;t even agree among themselves on spending and other issues.  They have spent more time re-naming federal buildings and launching investigations than anything else.</p>
<p>Moreover, on the Iraq issue, there have been several news stories, including an article in the NY Times on Monday, about how the surge is working and violence is lessening all across Iraq.  Yesterday a Washington Post reporter asked Rep. James Clyburn how Democrats would react if Gen. Petraeus said in September that the surge is successful and we would be foolish to pull out now.  Clyburn&#8217;s response was, &#8220;It would be a real big problem for us&#8221; if the surge worked.&nbsp;<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5343</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan!!  You said it best!!! It has been the Bush Vetoes, threats of more vetoes, and the GOP devoted to Bush to sustain the vetoes that has caused many problems. It is not that the Democrats are not getting things done, they are. It is tough to get the key legislation passed when there is obstruction like that. Norm Coleman has been part of that obstruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan!!  You said it best!!! It has been the Bush Vetoes, threats of more vetoes, and the GOP devoted to Bush to sustain the vetoes that has caused many problems. It is not that the Democrats are not getting things done, they are. It is tough to get the key legislation passed when there is obstruction like that. Norm Coleman has been part of that&nbsp;obstruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerosene Hat</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5342</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerosene Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq is going to be a bad situation for whoever comes out on top during the next election cycle.  The war was a mistake but those that support pulling out quickly will have to live with the blame if that goes badly.  But as usual, politics is about the next election and not  long term reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq is going to be a bad situation for whoever comes out on top during the next election cycle.  The war was a mistake but those that support pulling out quickly will have to live with the blame if that goes badly.  But as usual, politics is about the next election and not  long term&nbsp;reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/07/here-we-go/comment-page-1/#comment-5341</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wtm, the problem is that the Dems aren't "in charge" now.  If they were, we'd be in the process of withdrawing troops.  The thing that is stopping that from happening is Bush's vetos (or the threat of vetos) and the Republican members of congress sustaining those vetos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wtm, the problem is that the Dems aren&#8217;t &#8220;in charge&#8221; now.  If they were, we&#8217;d be in the process of withdrawing troops.  The thing that is stopping that from happening is Bush&#8217;s vetos (or the threat of vetos) and the Republican members of congress sustaining those&nbsp;vetos.</p>
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