A new poll by the DSCC puts Norm Coleman’s approval rating at a dismal 41%. Even worse, his reelect has dropped to 37% with 49% preferring someone else. Incumbents under 50% on either question are considered vulnerable - under 40% and the incumbent is on life support.
Both numbers are down since January.
I’m sure the Star Tribune will publish a story on these poll results, as they did when Survey USA released its Pawlenty approval ratings a few days ago.
You’re suggesting that “The Democrat Party doesn’t like the Rebublican Governor of Minnesota” is news?
Are you high? No, really..are you high?
What on Earth is wrong with you? Coleman’s bad poll numbers are news if Pawlenty’s good poll numbers are news - thats all. Did you even read my post?
Are you stupid? No, really…are you stupid?
By the way, we’re the Democratic Party.
Zach: There is a big difference between a poll from DSCC and Survey USA. Did the DSCC even release the methodology of their poll?
Well, Michael, you could read the release I linked to, but it was a poll of 600 voters taken between July 26 and the 31. And, by the way, I agree completely. There is a big difference between a Survey USA poll and a Greenberg, Quinlan, Rosner Research poll. Survey USA uses an automated system while Greenberg uses personal interviews (which are considered more reliable).
By the way, your beloved Survey USA released a poll in late July that had Norm’s approval at 43%. Did the Star Tribune report on that poll?
MDE says: “Zach: There is a big difference between a poll from DSCC and Survey USA.”
Doh! There he goes again..breaking the big news for the brainless. That darned MDE..LOL!
Zack belched in response: “Well, Michael, you could read the release I linked to, but it was a poll of 600 voters taken between July 26 and the 31.”
You mean 600 Democrat voters. Or are *you* that stupid?
Heh..that was a rhetorical question Zack; no need to answer.
“Minnesotans are increasingly fed up with Norm Coleman’s unquestioning support for George Bush and his failed agenda,” said DSCC spokesman Matthew Miller. “President Bush may raise millions of dollars for Norm Coleman next week, but all he’s doing is reminding Minnesotans why they are ready for new leadership.”
Oh..don’t tell me! The Democrat Party is trying to hang the Iraq war around Norm Coleman’s neck?
This place is a hot bed of revelations and insight! [swoon]
I know some of those words might be a little bit too big for a doorknob like the swift one but it’s pretty clear the trend line that’s at work here. Instead of fundraisers, little normy had better start looking into job fairs.
And little mikey, there’s no good way for you to lie your way out of this one. The only chance normy has is if you start working for the DFL. What’s it like being in the last 20 percentile supporting a criminal president and his trained poodle senator?
“…it’s pretty clear the trend line that’s at work here.”
I agree. The Democrat party’s paper hanging corps is working overtime.
Tell us some more stuff that the Democrat Party says about Senator Coleman, Governor Pawlenty and President Bush, will you? Please?
How about another poll? Bwahahaha.
So you’re suggesting Minnesotans aren’t fed up with normy’s support of Bush’s agenda. You’re suggesting Minnesotans look with favor, upon normy’s sychophantic genuflection in the presence of your beloved leader.
How can I say that? The Democrat Party’s official poll, you and Zack say otherwise!
I’m sure that next year, we’ll all be “sweating to the oldies” with Al Franken (grrrr!). It’s time for conservatives to “throw in the towel”…LOL!
Swiftee:
“This place is a hot bed of revelations and insight!” So, if that is the case, where are your revelations? Where are your clever ideas? It seems that all you have to work with is bouncing back on us everything we sling at you. It’s a good strategy for putting off the debate.
The comment sections on this blog have really gone off the deep end if you ask me. I even catch myself engaging in pointless shit-slinging. It’s embarrassing. Speaking of embarrassing: Is your screen name actually referencing Swift Boat Veterans? If so, that is truly embarrassing. How can you identify with a group that has been proven factually incorrect from the get go? Oh, I forgot, they successfully managed to sway a bunch of otherwise non-thinkers to believe John Kerry was a fraud and George W. Bush was a hero. What?
I really don’t know why I bother. Death, tax fraud, war crimes, vote purging, lying under oath, etc, etc, don’t matter to folks like you.
Anonymousmoonbat#35 wonders: “Speaking of embarrassing: Is your screen name actually referencing Swift Boat Veterans?”
No, my screen name is the nick name by which I’m known everywhere. It references my real name: Thomas Swift.
I, unlike anonymous moonbats, am proud to stand by everything I say, write and do. I don’t hide from anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Anonymousmoonbat#35 offers:
“It’s a good strategy for putting off the debate.”
What debate? The kid posted a ridiculous bit of Democrat bufoonery. There is no debate to be had here, just laughs.
BTW anonabat, while all thinking people agree that John Kerry was indeed a fraud, I haven’t heard anything that suggests that George Bush was a hero.
That includes George himself, who never tarnished one of this country’s highest military honors to further his own ego and ambition.
john Kerry is despised by every fellow veteran I have ever spoken to.
Swiftee,
You don’t even own a towel.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Reserves2a.gif
And by the way Swiftee,
The only laughs are yours. I don’t see America laughing about the State of our Country right now. I don’t see laughs when you call a poster a “cunt”. I see a disgusting piece of human garbage.
Hey everybody. My little sock puppet Nitro is here to entertain us! But lo, there seems to be a little problem…
“I don’t see laughs when you call a poster a “cunt”.”
“Cunt”?? Who’s been calling my bitch a cunt? Point ‘em out Nitro! I’ll whip the towel right off of Richard’s pointy head and give that bastard the nastiest snap you’ve ever seen!
Hey Nitro, have you heard?
Zack says the Democrat Party doesn’t like the Republican Governor of Minnesota! Film at 11:00!
LOLS.
I guess even a piece of human garbage can make a few jokes. Bush makes jokes all the time.
Boy, it sure is easy to attack the messenger when the news isn’t so good. What’s the response to learning that Norm’s lack of leadership is coming back to bit him in the rear?
Keep this up and your boy is going down for good. While I could care less if you believe these polls or not. The fact is that while good numbers make great publicity, CORRECT numbers make for better strategy.
When bad news comes in I guess the best thing to do is attack the messenger, right boys? Because instead of recognizing these poll results as the natural consequence of Norm Coleman’s poor leadership these past 6 years, you choose to attack Greenberg Quinlan and Rosner. Keep this up and your boy is going down for sure.
It would probably do you well to remember that while fake numbers can make good publicity, correct numbers make for better strategy (that is their ultimate purpose).
Stee-rike two. Third times a charm Pablo.
Swiftee,
Why does this image come to mind when I see you posting your slime here? http://jabusites.1hwy.com/images/naked_fat_man.jpg
Nitro,
You shouldn’t post your picture on the internet. It’s not safe. Didn’t anyone teach you about internet safety?
Wow,
What a clever thing to say Chris O’Leilly. “I know you are but what am I.”
Hey are we going to meet out by the bike racks after school?
What happened to your ignore pally? Oh that’s right, your word is completely worthless.
Chris O’Lielly,
BTW if you wonder what I look like I’m not hiding a thing, just go to my website. That’s a lot more than I can say about you, mystery man.
Hey Nitro: http://images2.dmusic.com/users/n/o/t/nottporn96/7474.jpg
Chris O’Lielly,
How appropriate, your pic symolizes blindly telling people off. *clapping*
Lollers Baconræv http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jhuth/naked_fat_man_lollers.jpg
My Nitro puppet wonders: “Swiftee, why does this image [of a fat lefty at the computer] come to mind when I see you posting your slime here?”
I dunno li’l fella..but I’d guess you’ve been watching yourself in the mirror wanking while thinking about me?
You’re a pretty twisted little block head aren’t ya?
Ask around pally, many of your fellow wankers have seen me. I really enjoy making personal appearances at moonbat festivals.
Here’s a picture that most local lefties will recognise.
Did you miss it? Here I am again! One more peek? Sure
As you can see, I like to look a moonbat right in the eye while giving them the proper greeting.
Hope to see you around!
“BTW if you wonder what I look like I’m not hiding a thing, just go to my website.”
Holy jumpin’ baby Mohammed!!!
Ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha! You’re shitting us, right, Dumbosaurus? Ahahahahahahahaahahahaa!
Oh man..here’s to you pally. Ahahahahahaaaa!
Wow, Swiftee,
What are you losing it? Oh wait, you lost it a long time ago. Thank you for the nice compliments.
Where do I send the check?
Congradulations Swiftee,
You get to greet everyone who visits my page now, you made the top of the list.
This is like a room full of fifth graders.
SeanH
I don’t go there unless I get my buttons pushed, and as you can see by the commentary at the beginning of this post, my buttons were pushed.
I’ll apologize to you Sean, but certainly not to the schoolyard bullies who think they have some noble cause to poison this website. Their comments speak for themselves.
Do we want to get back to the veracity of the poll numbers? Establishing that the poll number are close and indicate a trend, do we want to get back to discussing why Coleman’s numbers are dropping so precipitously?
Thank you Richard. And by the way, fuck you Swiftee and fuck you Nitro. You guys are both complete losers. BTW Swiftee: I did frame my Swift Boat reference as a question. I quote: “Is your screen name actually referencing Swift Boat Veterans? If so, that is truly embarrassing. How can you identify with a group that has been proven factually incorrect from the get go? Oh, I forgot, they successfully managed to sway a bunch of otherwise non-thinkers to believe John Kerry was a fraud and George W. Bush was a hero. What?” You could have simply responded the way you did, minus the “I, unlike anonymous moonbats, am proud to stand by everything I say, write and do. I don’t hide from anyone, anywhere, anytime.” Very profound. In fact, from this point on, I think I will take on the name “Anonabat35”. In honor of you. Thanks!
Sorry Nitro. I saw that you had apologized. For future reference you alienate all possibilities for being taken seriously when you respond to Swiftee’s needy angst with your own. While certainly funny at times, it nevertheless is quite embarrassing.
What does DSCC stand for? Oh yes. Democrats.
The release of this poll is intended to counter the sky high Pawlenty number.
Notice they did not ask Coleman v. Franken.
I would like to have a “someone else” to vote for much of the time, but it does not work that way. It will come down to a choice between Coleman and Franken.
The right direction wrong direction indicates that the poll is way off. I have seen polls in the past month that indicate the split on right wrong is fity fity.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=6268424d-fbb9-4bb8-8667-d383a80359ce
Here’s data from last month which shows Franken and Ciresi within striking distance for this seat. After the nomination, when the campaigning really starts, Coleman will get savaged. He has been a horribly ineffective Senator who got the seat by virtue of an accident. He will be so firmly afixed to the Bush coattails there will be no possible way of seperating him without sounding weak and petulent. He will be identified will the failed presidency of Bush.
Wellstone was well 50% in October 2002. Are you saying he would have lost?
Yes I will say Wellstone was falling and was indeed going to lose!
He shot himself in the foot with his antics and his broken promise of only two terms. People remember these things. That and the fact Wellstone has so few accomplishments while in the senate I think moderates had enough of him and he was about to be handed a loss.
Exactly wrong, Wellstone was 7 points ahead in the polls and moving up. Coleman would’ve lost by 10 points. Wellstone had the advantage of being ethical and principled. Disagree with him on the issues but there was no disputing his honesty and integrity. He also was not tied to the failed and criminal policies of the present administration. Wellstone did not represent the policies that have killed over 700,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. Wellstone was a tireless advocate of veterans and veterans benefits. Coleman cannot put that on his resume. normy has given up any independence from his lack of performance as chairman of the permanent Senate oversite committee. He did nothing. He will continue to do nothing. All the way up to the point of cleaning out his desk in December.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=128
Wellstone’s numbers were on the rise ever since he voted against the resolution to give the president power to invade Iraq. It was an anomoly that normy won Wellstone’s seat. An anomoly that will be rectified in Nov. ‘08.
Any new polls from Democrat headquarters to report this morning?
How much further in the tank does the DSCC say Senator Coleman woke up this morning?
Has the DFL interviewed any anonabats today who agree that Governor Pawlenty clubs baby harp seals in January?
Hey Dick, tell again about how Al Franken (Go Al! Grrrr) is going to put a whuppin’ to Norm Coleman. Heh..lefties.
I have to agree with purpledogblog on this - without an actual name for the Democratic candidate opposing Coleman, the poll results don’t mean much. Polls show that Congress’ approval numbers are even lower than Bush’s so any incumbent is not going to fare too well compared to ‘someone else’. ‘Someone else’ - that ideal candidate we can all pin our hopes on.
It’s too early for any meaningful polling when you put the D up against an incumbent Rep. Still, it would be interesting to see.
When Bush was riding high and Norm Coleman was his personal attack-rat on selected internationalist issues, yammering his talking points at warp speed, he may have seemed like a force of nature: the guy who brought the Republican revolution to blue Minnesota and a future VP pick. Now he totally looks like an empty suit. We are watching the twilight of his Senate career, I dearly hope.
And, believe it, Wellstone would have won handily, may blessings forever be upon him.
“None of the above” & “other” — are still alternatives.
“None of the above” doesn’t appear on the ballot — but there are 2 very good “others” that have no association with the Albatross coming to town to stump for Coleman.
Cerisi or Franken: Excellent choices.
So, as Dick says — Coleman’s been an attack rat for the Bushies who have foisted mess after mess upon us in their their wreckless abandon of sense, common or otherwise!
Norm’s idiot rah-rah & indictment before any fact of the UN & several other missteps… Bolton? I remember seeing Norm looking impotent in a committee thing televised on C-SPAN - jumping back in with the same mindless drivel, after a really good explanation by another senator.
It was like watching a kid try to sit at the big table.
Mockingbird,
Are you really defending the U.N.? The oil=for-food scandals. Kofi Annan’s son taking payments from contractors. The U.N. is the real culture of corruption and it’s sad that you are so partisan in your hatred for Coleman that you can’t even recognize the good he was doing in trying shine light on the illegal and unethical activities at the U.N.
And this whole thing about Bolton was a bunch of crap too. Bolton was one of the finest public servants who has represented us at the U.N. He was trying to help clean up things and get the U.N. back on track. Even people at the U.N. said Bolton did a good job. I don’t know what explanation by another senator you’re talking about but the proof was in the pudding and Bolton did a fine job at the U.N. but ended up being destroyed by the same hyperpartisanship many people on this site practice.
James Dobbins, the former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, wrote in the Washington Post: “American outrage over the diversion of U.N.-supervised Iraqi oil-for-food money seems to miss three salient points. First, no American funds were stolen. Second, no U.N. funds were stolen. Third, the oil-for-food program achieved its two objectives: providing food to the Iraqi people and preventing Saddam Hussein from rebuilding his military threat to the region — and in particular from reconstituting his programs for weapons of mass destruction.”
So where was the scandal?
Then the Post reported that the United States was wiretapping Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency, in an operation to discover whether he was secretly helping Iran hide its nuclear weapons program. In fact, ElBaradei was successfully working with the Europeans to negotiate a resolution with the Iranians. It was this diplomacy that neoconservatives within the administration were seeking to discredit. Compliance by Iran with internationally monitored nuclear development isn’t the objective of the neocons; they want regime change, an Iraq redux. The Europeans can’t be frontally attacked, so ElBaradei was put in the cross hairs. The techniques of the permanent campaign, especially negative attacks, recently applied in the reelection contest, are being transferred seamlessly and shamelessly to international relations.
Now we might be getting to the heart of it. Coleman was part of an effort to discredit Annan and distract the public from the nightmare that the Iraq invasion was becoming.
And lest we forget
“I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims, did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al Qaeda. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11, 2001,” he told the panel’s Republican chairman, Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota.
“Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong. And 100,000 people have paid with their lives — 1,600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies, 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever, on a pack of lies.”
Almost forgot the best line.
He added, “Senator, this is the mother of all smokescreens. You are trying to divert attention from the crimes that you supported.”
We will never forget Coleman’s response, “Ah, ahhhhhh, ah, ahhh, ahh, ahhhhh.”
He couldn’t respond because he hadn’t been told what to say when confronted with the truth.
Chris O’Lielly,
Your post is “a bunch of crap “.
Haven’t you ever heard of “The Bolton Scream”? That clip sums up what Bolton did during his tenure. Send a guy who hates the U.N. as our ambassador? If anything Bolton proved how ineffective the Neo-Con ideology really is. He did nothing to help America’s reputution.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/04/bye-bye-bolton-the-bolton-scream/
His was a flawed leadership because it hated the organization. Also, I didn’t exactly see a lot of diplomacy going on.
From a story concerning our Country’s reputation.
“In nearly all the countries surveyed, people are less inclined to say they like American ideas about democracy than they were five years ago. The most precipitous drops in esteem for American democracy came in Venezuela, Turkey and Indonesia. But the disapproval also worsened in France-and even in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, former Soviet bloc countries that were grateful to the United States for the end of the Cold War. American ways of doing business also are viewed negatively, particularly in the advanced industrial nations of Western Europe and Canada.
Somehow our greatest strengths have been transformed into weaknesses.
The Pew report says the diminished respect for American-style democracy may be related to the widespread perception, revealed in the poll, that the United States is inconsistent in promoting it. People in nearly every country said we promote democracy only when it serves American interests and not wherever we can.
The bitterness has taken root despite the sweep of contemporary history, which has boosted both democracy and free markets. “America and the West won the values debate in the 20th century,” says Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center. Data yet to be released from the broad global survey bear this out, he said.
It’s America’s current expression of its own values that has tarnished them. You cannot say you want transparent and fair elections, then allow your own to be tainted with partisan manipulation of how balloting is conducted and votes counted. You cannot say you respect the rule of law, and then create a lawless system of detainment for those you choose to hold. You cannot say you oppose torture, but inflict it upon those in your custody.”
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/03/2273/
Lot’s of good info here.
http://pewglobal.org/
Certainly, Bolton did nothing to heal the reputation and worldwide opinion of our great country. I don’t think anythings being done about this even today. I don’t deserve to be hated by so many people in the world just because I am American.
Coleman’s performance on the Permanent Senate Subcommittee on Investigations was nothing short of disgraceful. There was no inquiry into no-bid contracts and the war time profiteering of Haliburton.
So there’e no corruption at the U.N., huh Richard? I guess Saddam Hussein didn’t steal more than $10 billion from the Oil-for-Food program?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1778066
And I guess the son of Kofi Annan, Kojo, didn’t profit from the corruption in the oil-for-food scandal that you claim doesn’t exist:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090701646.html
And I guess U.N. “peacekeepers” didn’t rape children and women in the Congo, Liberia and Haiti?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15363-2004Nov26.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6195830.stm
And the U.N. did a fabulous job of preventing genocide in Rwanda, right?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/714025.stm
And the U.N. isn’t anti-Semitic:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/unantisem.html
Yeah, Richard, I would really put all of my trust into the U.N. if I were you. Actually, I would put all of my trust into the U.N. if (1) I was a dictator like Saddam Hussein (2) if I wanted to rape women and children and sell them into prostitution (3) if I wanted to commit genocide anywhere in the world and (4) if I wanted to steal money from starving people to buy palaces. The U.N. is a wonderful organization for those issues.
As for the argument that the rest of the world hates us and our policies, I would like to remind you of recent elections in Canada, Germany and France. The people in those countries elected leaders who are more friendly to the U.S. and our policies. Here is a great article by Christopher Hitchens about the new leadership in France and their support for our policies toward Iraq: http://slate.com/id/2167083/
Oh, and Richard,
Next time you want to talk about corruption and no-bid contracts, I’d like to talk about Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the chairwoman of the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Committee. She helped appropriate billions of dollars (including no-bid contracts) to her husband’s defense companies. His name is Richard Blum and his companies include URS Corporation and Perini Corporation. http://www.metroactive.com/feinstein/
P.S. For your information, Metroactive is the leading weekly newspaper in the Silicone Valley. Unlike some of the idiots who post on this blog, I only link to legitimate news stories and articles not partisan rants.
U.S. government investigators say Saddam Hussein illegally raked in more than $10 billion while Iraq was under U.N. sanctions.
Gee, you think maybe these were the same government investigators that were saying Saddam had weapons of mass distruction?
Saddam made money by violating the rules of the oil-for-food program, smuggling oil, adding surcharges and collecting kickbacks.
Not quite the same thing as stealing money from the program, more like using the greed of Oil Corporations like Exxon and Mobil to make money off the program.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Kofi Annan welcomed the report which cleared him of corruption in administration of the oil-for-food programme.
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=335132005
That one didn’t make your link list. Could go on like this for days but bottom line. No charges were brought, no definitive results reached. In other words a monumental waste of time, meanwhile, Haliburton is something like 20 billion in the hole to our government for things like serving spoiled food to the troops. Where was normy while that was going on?
Chris O’Lielly,
Why do you come to a left wing website and try to spin people and go round and round and round? You obviously have your own version of reality that’s carved in a talking point stone somewhere in the RNC. What’s your motive?
Why?
You’ve proven nothing to me. All I see is extremely partisan spin from you. Every one of your talking points can be easily shot down, and I tire of thenm all. Certainly your “debates” do not appear to be looking for some common ground.
Why do it? Why obsessively post here like you do?
Please tell me.
Nitro,
Breaking with my habit of ignoring what you say, let me respond by making a couple of points. First, where are the RNC talking points? Unlike you, who only cites crap from far-left kook fringe websites, I linked to articles from the following news sources: NPR, the Washington Post, the BBC - to name a few. Here are the links so you can read the articles. Where are the RNC talking points, Nitro?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1778066
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090701646.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15363-2004Nov26.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6195830.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/714025.stm
Second, why do I post here, it’s because people like you (you admitted as much) only want to read what you agree with regardless of what is fact and what is fiction. But there are many other people who read blogs who want more than just left talking points, marching orders and spin. Unlike you, I’m not afraid of debate or dialogue or conversation. I’m sorry hearing facts and a different point of view is so shocking to your system. But, quite frankly, I don’t care. What I do care about is people like you smearing people like me and I’m not going to just sit here and take it. You’re not looking for common ground either, Nitro, that is a joke. You’re looking for people to agree with you and perrot the same left wing talking points you read and repeat on this site.
Chris…
Lighten up (a whole lot).
We all drink our favorite kool-aide..
Has yours become too bitter??
Your exaggerated urgency to “expose” the left started out kinda cute… but it’s rapidly becoming just a little pathetic…
The sky is not falling… The earth will continue to turn… Coleman will find another job…
Chris O’Lielly,
I post here, it’s because people like you (you admitted as much) only want to read what you agree with regardless of what is fact and what is fiction. But there are many other people who read blogs who want more than just right talking points, marching orders and spin. Unlike you, I’m not afraid of debate or dialogue or conversation. I’m sorry hearing facts and a different point of view is so shocking to your system. But, quite frankly, I don’t care. What I do care about is people like you smearing people like me and I’m not going to just sit here and take it. You’re not looking for common ground either, Chris O’Lielly, that is a joke. You’re looking for people to agree with you and perrot the same right wing talking points you read and repeat on this site.
Chris O’Lielly,
What you miss is the point that as much as you enjoy demonizing the UN, Bolton did absolutely nothing to fix it, and did nothing to restore the reputation of the US in the eyes of the world. Demonizing the UN, even when justified, and doing nothing but using that information to win elections is how that information becomes a talking point. It solves nothing.
Tell me Chris, where are the talking points here?
http://pewglobal.org/
I’m not looking for anyone to agree with me here, trust me. The fact is I can’t stand you. Yes, I speak for myself, not anyone else here. Your behavior here has been obsessive and embarassing and what you fail to see is you are damaging to your own cause.
The problem with people like you is that you constantly try to convince people that everything the right wing does is justified or is OK. You forget that Bush represents EVERYONE ON THE BOAT, and the boat is sinking. Your solution is to try to convince everyone that it is not sinking, as it sinks, because you want to win elections. You make some more holes, even, just to prove how right you people are.
A lot of Americans, myself included, want to fix the holes in the boat, and that starts by getting real about what’s been going on with our reputation around the world. Reality sucks, I know, but it is what it is. Admitting mistakes, reaching out and talking to the rest of the world, even those who disagree with us would go a long way. It’s called “trying to find common ground” Chris O’Lielly. Isn’t that what the U.N. is for in the first place? As much as you demonize me for not finding common ground, I am just one man. THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP FAILS TO FIND ANY COMMON GROUND.
If the UN is corrupt, FIX IT. Don’t just smear them and do nothing. Reach out and work with people in the UN, rather than steamrolling over them. Your party has treated the UN like you do with your “War on Liberals” that attacks anyone and everyone who disagrees with you here at home. Your party destroys people and in it’s wake has left a lot of Americans, like me, completely and utterly PISSED at you people.
No Chris, there is no debate with those who think they are always right. There is no debate with those who constantly search for new fallous arguments to win. There is no debate between the haves and the have nots. There are only 2 sides, each with their own reality, and the tactics and strategies they use to try to defeat each other. They act like the course of our great Nation is a game to be won.
Karl Rove played the game very well, and look what we got. Look what the people of N.O. got. Look what the people of Iraq got. Look at what uninsured Americans have gotten. Look at what the Chinese get.
Look at the debt our children get.
Chris,
Here’s a link for you to enjoy from what you would call a legitimate source. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1745774020070820
Nitro,
At the risk of breaking my won rule by answering you, your posts show you are not interested in conversation or debate. The Pew poll is irrlevant to the question about the U.N. being corrupt and inept. If the Pew poll is relevant to anything, I’m not sure what it is. It’s funny because the Pew poll showed that personal satisfaction has increased by 20 points in Mexico over the last five years, yet we have record illegal immigration coming from mexico (and we would also have record legal immigration coming from Mexico if we had a guest worker program). So if you’re saying that the world hates us, I say why are they pounding down the doors to come to our country?
As for the teuters article, it showz some experts questioning the surge. Big deal. There are many other people who say the surge is working and we should have done it a long time ago. The new Foreign Minister of France just offered his hand to the Iraqi government looking to find a way for France to get involved with stabilizing the country.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070820131906.5cqcv6s5&show_article=1
Again, Nitro, you haven’t done anything to show that you’re looking for anything other than to tell anyone who disagrees with you that they are scum, sleazebags and other nasty names. I’m sorry your views are so shallow that you can’t stand debating them constructively.
Chris O’Lielly,
The nasty names started with you using them here constantly, just a reminder. Just look in the archives here. In addition, that was an attempt at constructive debate, but to move along with your attempts to silence me, you portray them as not constructive.
The pew site shows how far opinion of our country has fallen in so many ways and categories in the world, I don’t understand why you don’t see that, unless you are blind to all that doen’t help you move your ideology along.
Sure there are people who are loved by the rest of the world here in America. They’re called Liberals.
http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/mideast/iraq/halliburton.html
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Pringle0124.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=War_profiteering
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=4096
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030512/editors
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?pid=69711
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/after/2003/0520warprofit.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/05/AR2005070501655.html
Get all breathless and outraged over this. Really sign on to support the troops and you will want to see people in jail for the antics described in the above links. This is what normy could’ve been looking at instead of following the marching orders of the White House. His position as ranking member of the Permanent Senate Subcommittee on Investigations had the power to demand an accounting of US contractors in Iraq. So maybe if normy had been doing his job, our soldiers would not have found themselves without inadequate body armour, or under-armoured HumVees, or proper food and water. He issued exactly zero supeanas for testimony regarding the business practices and cost overruns of Haliburton in Iraq.
Chris: Sadly, the time has come when - for the most part - the stories reported in the so-called “far left” press are indeed more factually correct by and large than most that are found in the so-called “mainstream” or “right wing” press. Just about every host on Fox has been called out a million time for factual inaccuracies, and so have the bulk of the right wing radio crowd.
Saying you cite sources like MPR, NPR, BBC, etc. does not mean that you are citing factual stories. Christopher Hitchens, for example, is well known to be about as slanted as it comes.
Why am I wasting my time? Here is the point: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BIAS-FREE REPORTING! NOR IS THERE ANYTHING SUCH AS “FAIR AND BALANCED”! THERE IS THE NEWS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS NOT THE NEWS; FACTS AND NON-FACTS! Why can’t we just deal with things on that level? If we did, much of the arguments that are brought forward you Chris would be dead in the water, as would many of the statements us lefties have brought to the table too, dig?
Anonabat & Richard,
How many years have we seen the right wingers “shoot the messenger, pay no attention to the message” strategy work over the American people?
The ship is sinking faster because of that. A lot of important news stories have been completely destroyed because of it.
Anonabat,
Yeah that’s right blame Fox News. Don’t blame CBS for forging documents or NBC for blowing up GM trucks and other stunts. I love how in the face of overwhelming evidence about real corruption at the U.N. you blame Fox News and Richard blames Halliburton. And no, every Fox News anchor has not been cited for inaccuracies by real journalism ethics groups. I do not include the George Soros-paid Media Matters in that group.
Nitro,
Again I’m breaking my own rule because I don’t really care about what you have to say most of the time. But since you mentioned Liberals, why have the world’s leading democracies booted out liberal governments in the last two years? France, Germany and even Canada have all elected pro-American, conservative governments. Didn’t you read today’s news of France pledging to help the U.S. stabilize Iraq? Of course not, that’s because it didn’t appear in the (communist) Nation magazine or Media Matters or the other left wing blogs you site.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070820131906.5cqcv6s5&show_article=1
Source: Agence France-Presse
Chris O’LIELLY,
FRANCES CONSERVATIVE PARTY WOULD BE LABELED A FAR LEFT FRINGE GROUP HERE IN AMERICA, THEY ARE HARDLY LIKE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WE’RE ALL FUCKING IDIOTS?
YES THIS IS ALL CAPS BECAUSE I’M SICK OF YOUR SPIN.
LOLS Communist. Just had to add that, Chris O’Lielly. So we’re “gooks” now?
Food long past its sell-by date was served, along with food spoiled by insufficient refrigeration. Imagine coming home from a hard day at war trying not to get killed and being presented with rancid meat.
Halliburton
While soldiers were afraid to shower for fear of getting nasty bacterial infections, KBR managers charged the Pentagon for luxurious rooms with crystal clear water at the Kempinski Hotel on the “unpolluted azure coastline” of Kuwait for $10,000 a month, according to former Halliburton employee Marie DeYoung.
Halliburton
And consider what happened to Bunnatine Greenhouse, the highest-ranking civilian in the Army Corps of Engineers. She added a handwritten note that couldn’t be missed to the Halliburton contract the Secretary of Defense had to see when he signed off advising the contract be limited to one year. She had already criticized the Defense Department for letting Halliburton attend confidential Pentagon meetings.
Greenhouse was ignored, sidelined and lost her job. She later testified before Congress to “the most blatant and improper contract abuse” she’d ever witnessed.
Halliburton
The new evidence, released Monday afternoon, shows that Hallliburton:
* overcharged or presented questionable bills for close on $1.5 billion, almost four times the previous amount disclosed.
* lost 12 giant pre-fabricated bases worth over $75 million destined for the troops. The bases could have housed as many as 6,600 soldiers.
* billed $152,000 to provide a movie library for 2,500 soldiers
* billed inconsistently across the board. Video cassette players, for example, were said to cost $300.00 in some instances, and $1000 in others. Likewise, the company charged $2.31 for towels on one occasion and $5 for the same units on another.
Halliburton
Worst affected were the non-American workers. Mayberry says that Halliburton was supposed to feed 600 Turkish and Filipino meals. “Although KBR charged for this service, it didn’t prepare the meals. Instead, these workers were given leftover food in boxes and garbage bags after the troops ate. Sometimes there were not leftovers to give them,” said Mayberry. Halliburton
You see Chris, I don’t care a bit about alleged corruption at the UN, I worry about the corruption that is happening at the behest of this administration and with Coleman’s complicity. Don’t you think supporting the troops includes feeding them fresh meat or does feeding our combat troops rancid meat in time of war seem okay to you. After all, normy doesn’t seem to mind since he wasn’t interested enough in it to investigate.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/
Chris, you are a waste of time. You are one of those people who debate for the sake of debate, whether you believe your position or not. By the way, why are you so hell-bent against George Soros? He’s a Jew who is critical of Israel. He has funded some of the most successful programs in the world aimed at “closing the digital divide”. He came to America as an immigrant and became a billionaire - something I’m sure you are in support of. And he believes that questioning governmental authority is patriotic, versus the opposite. That’s why he financially supports journalistic organizations that spend all of their time vetting the reporting of the mainstream corporate owned papers. I’ll bet that’s it, ay? You don’t like it when people question authority, at least when it is your people in power.
Again, totally weak arguments that do nothing but piss people off.
Chris = permanent ignore.
Aside to Anonabat35 - thank you for keeping your Swiftee anointed name - I like it! I’d change my name to Maxabat but it’s dangerously close to Maxipad which would truly send Swiftee into an agitated frenzy of vituperation. :)
Chris and Swiftee only exist to point out that while intelligence has it’s limits, ignorance knows no bounds. They trot out the talking points, get slaughtered then move on to the next thread and repeat the process. It’s sad really, having to be them.
Nitro: http://images2.dmusic.com/users/n/o/t/nottporn96/7474.jpg
Richard,
You are a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. I don’t get where you have any business lecturing anyone else about being ignorant. Your own arguments were slaughtered by my links to news about what you said regarding the U.N. Then you have the gall to say that you don’t care about the U.N. You are the one who is the talking points robot, not me.
Chris O’Lielly,
What a suprise, to see you load a file called “nottporn”. I didn’t expect that from you.
Yes, I like Anonabat35. It gives me a little pride every time I visit. :)
A glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. Did your mom help you spell that Chris, very well done. Meanwhile, your links to the UN didn’t address the point that while normy was wasting time and energy investigating a scandal that eventually turned into nothing, Halliburton was feeding our combat troops rancid meat. Why do you hate our troops Chris? I find it absolutely reprehensible that you enjoy the freedoms of this nation but aren’t willing to support the troops even as far as them getting a meal that doesn’t make them sick. Go live in a country that doesnt’ care about freedom or supporting the troops or the Global war on whatever we’re suppose to be at war with this week.
It’s sad Richard that you don’t find raping children and women and selling them into sex slavery a scandal. Why do you hate women and children? Or do you hate brown skinned people because the U.N. raped women and children in countries like Haiti and Liberia?
And to have you of all people lecturing me about freedom is pretty sickening when you don’t even want the people in the rest of the world to have freedom (except for the Palestinians whom you want freed from the Jews). Or is it that you just hate Jews?
So I’ll just assume you feel it’s okay to feed the troops rancid meat. Noted.
Now, show me the orders, signed by Kofi Annan, to rape women and children and sell them into slavery. I’ll need signed documents.
Your straw men don’t hold up. The Oil for Food scandal was a distraction set up by the administration. The scandal eventually determined Annan was not negligent in his duties. It amounted to exactly nothing. Meanwhile, Coleman could’ve been fullfilling his role as ranking member of the PSSI and ordered an accouting of Halliburton’s no-bid contracts. This was something Harry Truman did in WWII and labeled war profiteering, treason. I guess normy is more amenable to traitors. It’s sad Chris, that you get all breathless and come down with the vapors whenever your GOP masters tell you to but when our service men and women are dying for Bush’s lies, you turn a blind eye. Look in the mirror if you can stand it.
The UN makes plenty of mistakes and can’t seem to be helpful when needed in places like Iraq (before the war), the Sudan, Yugoslavia and Rwanda to name just a few. The U.N. Also gives stronger voices to dictators and oppressive governments be allowing their leadership to vote on behalf of a population that has no rights or voice. Also, the nature of war leads to waste and corruption because everything is an emergency and oversight an afterthought. This is especially true when it is a war most of the country doesn’t believe is really about defending our country and as such contractors feel less obligated to do anything but maximize their profits.
See, both Richard and Chris can be right at the same time…. kind of.
Also, the nature of war leads to waste and corruption because everything is an emergency and oversight an afterthought. This is especially true when it is a war most of the country doesn’t believe is really about defending our country and as such contractors feel less obligated to do anything but maximize their profits.
Exactly, which is why normy severly dropped the ball. Truman called war profiteers traitors and went after them like all the hounds of hell. normy gave them a free pass and got his ass humilitated by Galloway. US service men and women are dieing, Halliburton is serving them garbage, and normy is talking about the Oil for Food non-scandal.
So Richard, any comment on the U.N. part of my post?
“The U.N. Also gives stronger voices to dictators and oppressive governments be allowing their leadership to vote on behalf of a population that has no rights or voice.”
This includes the US, where half the Country has no voice….for now.
Sure KH, the UN can only be improved and can only become more effective with our increased involvement. Our retraction from the Middle East peace process has resulted in a horrible toll on Palestinians and Israelis. When we become recognized as advocates for peace and prosperity instead of empire builders and war mongers