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	<title>Comments on: Dude Hosting Bush-Coleman Fundraiser Sounds Like A Nice Guy</title>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Why hasn't Ciresi or Franken donated all of their money too the poor?" What a dumb statement...aren't you Neocons done with that boring line yet? And it's "to the poor." You're such an airhead, Chris...now go take a walk and get rid of your big belly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why hasn&#8217;t Ciresi or Franken donated all of their money too the poor?&#8221; What a dumb statement&#8230;aren&#8217;t you Neocons done with that boring line yet? And it&#8217;s &#8220;to the poor.&#8221; You&#8217;re such an airhead, Chris&#8230;now go take a walk and get rid of your big&nbsp;belly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris O'Lielly,

If I recall correctly, you told me that you were personally assaulted by a couple of guys "wearing AFL- CIO shirts" here in the comments at MN Publius a couple of months ago. Is that true?

Why not tell that story here, instead of this:
"Moreover, when a small group of people gathered across the street a couple of hours before the Kerry rally to protest, three guys wearing AFL CIO shirts came over and elbowed a couple of the protestors in the ribs - including a 65 year old guy."

Are you the 65 year old guy?

Just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris O&#8217;Lielly,</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, you told me that you were personally assaulted by a couple of guys &#8220;wearing AFL- CIO shirts&#8221; here in the comments at MN Publius a couple of months ago. Is that true?</p>
<p>Why not tell that story here, instead of this:<br />
&#8220;Moreover, when a small group of people gathered across the street a couple of hours before the Kerry rally to protest, three guys wearing AFL CIO shirts came over and elbowed a couple of the protestors in the ribs - including a 65 year old guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you the 65 year old guy?</p>
<p>Just&nbsp;asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should an office holder do this?

"Chairman Waxman writes to federal agencies requesting documents about their involvement in White House "asset deployment" meetings held to discuss the use of federal resources to promote the reelection of President Bush and Republicans in Congress.

Agencies receiving this request: Departments of Justice, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Justice, Treasury, Veterans Affairs, Labor, State, Agriculture, Commerce, Transportation, Environmental Protection Agency,  Small Business Administration, General Services Administration, United States Agency for International Development, and the Office of National Drug Control Policy."

Story here. "How Rove Directed Federal Assets for GOP Gains"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/18/AR2007081801182_pf.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should an office holder do this?</p>
<p>&#8220;Chairman Waxman writes to federal agencies requesting documents about their involvement in White House &#8220;asset deployment&#8221; meetings held to discuss the use of federal resources to promote the reelection of President Bush and Republicans in Congress.</p>
<p>Agencies receiving this request: Departments of Justice, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Justice, Treasury, Veterans Affairs, Labor, State, Agriculture, Commerce, Transportation, Environmental Protection Agency,  Small Business Administration, General Services Administration, United States Agency for International Development, and the Office of National Drug Control Policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Story here. &#8220;How Rove Directed Federal Assets for GOP Gains&#8221;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/18/AR2007081801182_pf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/18/AR2007081801182_pf.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kerosene Hat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerosene Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You implied it by saying there was a different standard for candidate than for an office holder.  If an office holder must be forthright available then by contrast a candidate must be different.  My main point was all politicians are always candidates.  If not for themselves then for their parties.  That is, unfortunately, always their primary responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You implied it by saying there was a different standard for candidate than for an office holder.  If an office holder must be forthright available then by contrast a candidate must be different.  My main point was all politicians are always candidates.  If not for themselves then for their parties.  That is, unfortunately, always their primary&nbsp;responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did I say that implied a right to "obfuscate and spin"?  I'm saying that yes, a candidate for office will want to "control the message," but a President has a different function.

The voters' tolerance of obfuscation and spinning . . . that's a different matter entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did I say that implied a right to &#8220;obfuscate and spin&#8221;?  I&#8217;m saying that yes, a candidate for office will want to &#8220;control the message,&#8221; but a President has a different function.</p>
<p>The voters&#8217; tolerance of obfuscation and spinning &#8230; that&#8217;s a different matter&nbsp;entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerosene Hat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerosene Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So those running for office have the right to obfuscate and spin but an office holder at the end of the constitutional limit of their service has to suddenly become honest and forthright?  Please, every politician's job is to win reelection for either themselves or others of their party at every moment they are breathing.  If it is wrong for a sitting president to do this then it is wrong for anyone running for any office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So those running for office have the right to obfuscate and spin but an office holder at the end of the constitutional limit of their service has to suddenly become honest and forthright?  Please, every politician&#8217;s job is to win reelection for either themselves or others of their party at every moment they are breathing.  If it is wrong for a sitting president to do this then it is wrong for anyone running for any&nbsp;office.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that the President is not a candidate any more.  There is a big difference between what a candidate does at a rally, and how the President should face the people he governs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that the President is not a candidate any more.  There is a big difference between what a candidate does at a rally, and how the President should face the people he&nbsp;governs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerosene Hat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerosene Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the President's staff uses protest type tactics to deal with protest tactics why is this strange or wrong?  Every major candidate is doing whatever they can to control their message at every moment.  Bill Clinton was able to do this with a great deal of charm and a very quick wit.  Bush is using foot soldiers to do the same thing, apparently in these cases in a nonviolent manor.  The results are the same in either case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the President&#8217;s staff uses protest type tactics to deal with protest tactics why is this strange or wrong?  Every major candidate is doing whatever they can to control their message at every moment.  Bill Clinton was able to do this with a great deal of charm and a very quick wit.  Bush is using foot soldiers to do the same thing, apparently in these cases in a nonviolent manor.  The results are the same in either&nbsp;case.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exerpt from story "White House Manual Details How to Deal With Protesters"

Link here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082101662_pf.html

To counter any demonstrators who do get in, advance teams are told to create "rally squads" of volunteers with large hand-held signs, placards or banners with "favorable messages." Squads should be placed in strategic locations and "at least one squad should be 'roaming' throughout the perimeter of the event to look for potential problems," the manual says.

"These squads should be instructed always to look for demonstrators," it says. "The rally squad's task is to use their signs and banners as shields between the demonstrators and the main press platform. If the demonstrators are yelling, rally squads can begin and lead supportive chants to drown out the protestors (USA!, USA!, USA!). As a last resort, security should remove the demonstrators from the event site."

Advance teams are advised not to worry if protesters are not visible to the president or cameras: "If it is determined that the media will not see or hear them and that they pose no potential disruption to the event, they can be ignored. On the other hand, if the group is carrying signs, trying to shout down the President, or has the potential to cause some greater disruption to the event, action needs to be taken immediately to minimize the demonstrator's effect."

The manual adds in bold type: "Remember -- avoid physical contact with demonstrators! Most often, the demonstrators want a physical confrontation. Do not fall into their trap!" And it suggests that advance staff should "decide if the solution would cause more negative publicity than if the demonstrators were simply left alone."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exerpt from story &#8220;White House Manual Details How to Deal With Protesters&#8221;</p>
<p>Link here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082101662_pf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082101662_pf.html</a></p>
<p>To counter any demonstrators who do get in, advance teams are told to create &#8220;rally squads&#8221; of volunteers with large hand-held signs, placards or banners with &#8220;favorable messages.&#8221; Squads should be placed in strategic locations and &#8220;at least one squad should be &#8216;roaming&#8217; throughout the perimeter of the event to look for potential problems,&#8221; the manual says.</p>
<p>&#8220;These squads should be instructed always to look for demonstrators,&#8221; it says. &#8220;The rally squad&#8217;s task is to use their signs and banners as shields between the demonstrators and the main press platform. If the demonstrators are yelling, rally squads can begin and lead supportive chants to drown out the protestors (USA!, USA!, USA!). As a last resort, security should remove the demonstrators from the event site.&#8221;</p>
<p>Advance teams are advised not to worry if protesters are not visible to the president or cameras: &#8220;If it is determined that the media will not see or hear them and that they pose no potential disruption to the event, they can be ignored. On the other hand, if the group is carrying signs, trying to shout down the President, or has the potential to cause some greater disruption to the event, action needs to be taken immediately to minimize the demonstrator&#8217;s effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>The manual adds in bold type: &#8220;Remember&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;avoid physical contact with demonstrators! Most often, the demonstrators want a physical confrontation. Do not fall into their trap!&#8221; And it suggests that advance staff should &#8220;decide if the solution would cause more negative publicity than if the demonstrators were simply left&nbsp;alone.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"All rallies are open to the public, but you have to have tickets to get in and &lt;b&gt;yes the political parties want the tickets to go to supporters.&lt;/b&gt; What's wrong with that?"

Maybe that it isn't all that public then?

From the invitation only Social Security 'Town Halls' on this President doesn't like the public to get in the way of his message.

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All rallies are open to the public, but you have to have tickets to get in and <b>yes the political parties want the tickets to go to supporters.</b> What&#8217;s wrong with that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that it isn&#8217;t all that public then?</p>
<p>From the invitation only Social Security &#8216;Town Halls&#8217; on this President doesn&#8217;t like the public to get in the way of his message.&nbsp;Sean</p>
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