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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5434</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, on O'Reilly

"O'Reilly isn't perfect and he's made mistakes"

Yes we all are very aware of that.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/index.php?s=O'Reilly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, on O&#8217;Reilly</p>
<p>&#8220;O&#8217;Reilly isn&#8217;t perfect and he&#8217;s made mistakes&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes we all are very aware of that.&nbsp;<a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/index.php?s=O" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/index.php?s=O</a>&#8216;Reilly</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5433</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

"who want to use government to regulate how you and I live"

Can you explain to us what that means?

Where's the connection between that and people who are successful and run as Democrats?

Elaborate, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>&#8220;who want to use government to regulate how you and I live&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you explain to us what that means?</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the connection between that and people who are successful and run as Democrats?</p>
<p>Elaborate,&nbsp;please.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5432</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mockingbird,

There is a great deal of deliberation and dishonesty in the lifestyles of John Edwards and Al Gore, among others, who want to use government to regulate how you and I live but then live a completely different lifestyle for themselves.  Bobby Kennedy, Jr. is a perfect example of this.  He preaches dire predictions due to global warming but flies around in private jets (which pollute ten times in one trip what a family car pollutes in a whole year) and opposes wind energy in Coastal Massachusetts.  Hypocirsy does not discriminate between political parties.  The difference is I will not defend Vitter's conduct while a bunch of people will defend Kennedy's and Edwards' lifestyles.

Quite frankly I don't understand your beef with Bush's rose garden press conference and I'm even more confused by your last comments about it.  Bush did not use the bridge tragedy to attack Democrats.  He talked about the bridge tragedy and then changed subjects in a 45 minute press conference.  End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mockingbird,</p>
<p>There is a great deal of deliberation and dishonesty in the lifestyles of John Edwards and Al Gore, among others, who want to use government to regulate how you and I live but then live a completely different lifestyle for themselves.  Bobby Kennedy, Jr. is a perfect example of this.  He preaches dire predictions due to global warming but flies around in private jets (which pollute ten times in one trip what a family car pollutes in a whole year) and opposes wind energy in Coastal Massachusetts.  Hypocirsy does not discriminate between political parties.  The difference is I will not defend Vitter&#8217;s conduct while a bunch of people will defend Kennedy&#8217;s and Edwards&#8217; lifestyles.</p>
<p>Quite frankly I don&#8217;t understand your beef with Bush&#8217;s rose garden press conference and I&#8217;m even more confused by your last comments about it.  Bush did not use the bridge tragedy to attack Democrats.  He talked about the bridge tragedy and then changed subjects in a 45 minute press conference.  End of&nbsp;story.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5431</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nitro,

Good comments and great picture.  I could post two of my own pics with O'Reilly but I don't have them on digital format.  O'Reilly isn't perfect and he's made mistakes.  On one show he interviewed Dick Gephardt and introduced him as the former Speaker of the House.  I e-mailed O'Reilly and told him Gephardt was never Speaker but Minority Leader.  He issued the correction and sent me a signed book for catching his mistake.

I completely believe there are honest hard working Democrats serving in the military.  I believe they have something important to say about our current military situation in Iraq.  I also believe there are honest and hard working conservatives in the military who have something important to say about Iraq (like the gentleman who was silenced and threatened at the Yearly Kos).  Reasonable minds can disagree and remain decent patriotic people.  I just prefer when the vitriol is taken out of the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitro,</p>
<p>Good comments and great picture.  I could post two of my own pics with O&#8217;Reilly but I don&#8217;t have them on digital format.  O&#8217;Reilly isn&#8217;t perfect and he&#8217;s made mistakes.  On one show he interviewed Dick Gephardt and introduced him as the former Speaker of the House.  I e-mailed O&#8217;Reilly and told him Gephardt was never Speaker but Minority Leader.  He issued the correction and sent me a signed book for catching his mistake.</p>
<p>I completely believe there are honest hard working Democrats serving in the military.  I believe they have something important to say about our current military situation in Iraq.  I also believe there are honest and hard working conservatives in the military who have something important to say about Iraq (like the gentleman who was silenced and threatened at the Yearly Kos).  Reasonable minds can disagree and remain decent patriotic people.  I just prefer when the vitriol is taken out of the&nbsp;equation.</p>
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		<title>By: wtm</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5430</link>
		<dc:creator>wtm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris is right: there is no difference between the hypocrisy of Vitter and Edwards.  I agree that Vitter cannot reasonably present himself as an advocate for family values if he frequents prostitutes.  Likewise, Edwards cannot reasonably present himself as an advocate for poverty when his lifestyle is completely contrary to his position.  And spare me the dichotomy of the two positions because moral indiscretions -- even if they conceal an potentially illegal act (e.g. sexual harassment or perjury) -- were deemed off-limits by your side ("move on") during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal.  Thus, all we're left with, apparently, is public (not private) virtue as an issue for discussion.  And, in this case, Edwards public virtue -- the alignment of his Beverly Hills lifestyle to his political position on poverty -- don't add up.  Same thing goes for the global warming crowd (Al Gore and the Hollywood elites), who are the most egregrious offenders of the lifestyle they want the rest of us to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris is right: there is no difference between the hypocrisy of Vitter and Edwards.  I agree that Vitter cannot reasonably present himself as an advocate for family values if he frequents prostitutes.  Likewise, Edwards cannot reasonably present himself as an advocate for poverty when his lifestyle is completely contrary to his position.  And spare me the dichotomy of the two positions because moral indiscretions&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;even if they conceal an potentially illegal act (e.g. sexual harassment or perjury)&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;were deemed off-limits by your side (&#8220;move on&#8221;) during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal.  Thus, all we&#8217;re left with, apparently, is public (not private) virtue as an issue for discussion.  And, in this case, Edwards public virtue&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the alignment of his Beverly Hills lifestyle to his political position on poverty&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;don&#8217;t add up.  Same thing goes for the global warming crowd (Al Gore and the Hollywood elites), who are the most egregrious offenders of the lifestyle they want the rest of us to&nbsp;follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5429</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty weak, SeanH, pretty weak.  None of those posts by media matters is threatening to assassinate Democrats.  All the people said was if Hillary gets elected there will be a revolution in this country.  Pretty hot rhetoric, but nobody said they were going to kill Hillary.  Contrast that with the movies being made about how great it would be to kill our current President as well as the articles on the Huffington Post about how we would be better off if Cheney's cold black heart just quit working.  There is a huge difference.

Also, O'Reilly did not say that the taxes were highest under Bill Clinton.  Read his books and how he talks about the terrible economy under Jimmy Carter when taxes were in the 70% range.  Finally, Media Matters is a left wing website known for taking comments out of context and even editing them.  Why don't you actually watch O'Reilly instead of reading what someone else has to say about him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty weak, SeanH, pretty weak.  None of those posts by media matters is threatening to assassinate Democrats.  All the people said was if Hillary gets elected there will be a revolution in this country.  Pretty hot rhetoric, but nobody said they were going to kill Hillary.  Contrast that with the movies being made about how great it would be to kill our current President as well as the articles on the Huffington Post about how we would be better off if Cheney&#8217;s cold black heart just quit working.  There is a huge difference.</p>
<p>Also, O&#8217;Reilly did not say that the taxes were highest under Bill Clinton.  Read his books and how he talks about the terrible economy under Jimmy Carter when taxes were in the 70% range.  Finally, Media Matters is a left wing website known for taking comments out of context and even editing them.  Why don&#8217;t you actually watch O&#8217;Reilly instead of reading what someone else has to say about&nbsp;him?</p>
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		<title>By: SeanH</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5445</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want a link to a death threat on Bill O'Reilly's website. There isn't any and there never have been. O'Reilly, unlink the Daily Kos, has people who monitor the site and take down offensive comments.

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"Also, I challenge you to quote where Bill O'Reilly has lied, since you have called him a liar."

At the time Bill was insisting that they remove posts of those nature, they were still there-He was lying

His claims about the success of his French boycott were a lie, and he quoted a made up publication to make it sound legit.

O'Reilly said that Tax rates under Clinton were the highest since WWII.  Surprise surprise- that is false.

I could go on and on and on and on-its too easy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want a link to a death threat on Bill O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s website. There isn&#8217;t any and there never have been. O&#8217;Reilly, unlink the Daily Kos, has people who monitor the site and take down offensive comments.</p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/oreillycomment-1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/oreillycomment-1.jpg</a></p>
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<p>&#8220;Also, I challenge you to quote where Bill O&#8217;Reilly has lied, since you have called him a liar.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the time Bill was insisting that they remove posts of those nature, they were still there-He was lying</p>
<p>His claims about the success of his French boycott were a lie, and he quoted a made up publication to make it sound legit.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Reilly said that Tax rates under Clinton were the highest since WWII.  Surprise surprise- that is false.</p>
<p>I could go on and on and on and on-its too&nbsp;easy</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5510</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

A pic for you, since you are such a big fan of O'Reilly.

I have a brother and three brother-in-laws serving, two are overseas right now.

Here's a pic of my wife's brother (Sgt) Josh, who's gets to protect celebrities and dignitaries visiting the green zone in Iraq. Josh voted for Kerry, BTW. He served in the 2nd Marines division during the invasion. This pic was taken this past December.

A couple years ago Josh left the Marines and moved to San Diego. He tried but could not find a decent job there, so he re-enlisted in the National Guard, and is still in Iraq today.

He's coming home soon and has accepted a security job in Washington. He's a great guy, he served his country, and yes, he could be labeled a "Liberal Democrat", the type of person who Bill O'Reilly would broad brush into his commentary of someone who is scum, because of the websites he uses and visits.

I'm sure he's been to KOS, and the many other very popular sites like Huffington Post or Truthout. He uses Myspace to talk to my wife often.

My point is, the broad brushes O'Reilly uses includes a lot of good, patriotic Democrats. I would hope in the future you remember that. Pat Tillman was a Liberal Democrat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jhuth/mail.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>A pic for you, since you are such a big fan of O&#8217;Reilly.</p>
<p>I have a brother and three brother-in-laws serving, two are overseas right now.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a pic of my wife&#8217;s brother (Sgt) Josh, who&#8217;s gets to protect celebrities and dignitaries visiting the green zone in Iraq. Josh voted for Kerry, BTW. He served in the 2nd Marines division during the invasion. This pic was taken this past December.</p>
<p>A couple years ago Josh left the Marines and moved to San Diego. He tried but could not find a decent job there, so he re-enlisted in the National Guard, and is still in Iraq today.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s coming home soon and has accepted a security job in Washington. He&#8217;s a great guy, he served his country, and yes, he could be labeled a &#8220;Liberal Democrat&#8221;, the type of person who Bill O&#8217;Reilly would broad brush into his commentary of someone who is scum, because of the websites he uses and visits.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s been to KOS, and the many other very popular sites like Huffington Post or Truthout. He uses Myspace to talk to my wife often.</p>
<p>My point is, the broad brushes O&#8217;Reilly uses includes a lot of good, patriotic Democrats. I would hope in the future you remember that. Pat Tillman was a Liberal Democrat.&nbsp;<a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jhuth/mail.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jhuth/mail.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mockingbird</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/going-forward/#comment-5509</link>
		<dc:creator>Mockingbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris... if you honestly don't see a difference between Vitter - and Edwards, then you should seek advice, and often.

Please listen to it instead of just OPINING.

There is a great deal of deliberation &#38; dishonesty in Vitter's hypocrisy. Some of it involved his breach of his wedding vows, his mistreatment of his wife &#38; humiliating her. That may be more for them to deal personally.

Another portion is his adamant &#38; vocal support for precisely the opposite of what he does himself.

Why do people like Vitter always rail against - what turns out to be personal demons for them? H doth protst so much, it makes me suspicious. Just like holier-than-thou preachers who have a secret life.

Vitter's wife shot off her mouth about another's situation in public, which had nothing at all to do with her. Now she wants compassion &#38; understanding down a one way street? Unbelievable!

Your estimation of Edwards in this says that you think he is a hypocrite because he is successful &#38; spent money on a haircut.

Are you that well off, that you think he is a traitor to his class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8230; if you honestly don&#8217;t see a difference between Vitter - and Edwards, then you should seek advice, and often.</p>
<p>Please listen to it instead of just OPINING.</p>
<p>There is a great deal of deliberation &amp; dishonesty in Vitter&#8217;s hypocrisy. Some of it involved his breach of his wedding vows, his mistreatment of his wife &amp; humiliating her. That may be more for them to deal personally.</p>
<p>Another portion is his adamant &amp; vocal support for precisely the opposite of what he does himself.</p>
<p>Why do people like Vitter always rail against - what turns out to be personal demons for them? H doth protst so much, it makes me suspicious. Just like holier-than-thou preachers who have a secret life.</p>
<p>Vitter&#8217;s wife shot off her mouth about another&#8217;s situation in public, which had nothing at all to do with her. Now she wants compassion &amp; understanding down a one way street? Unbelievable!</p>
<p>Your estimation of Edwards in this says that you think he is a hypocrite because he is successful &amp; spent money on a haircut.</p>
<p>Are you that well off, that you think he is a traitor to his&nbsp;class?</p>
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		<title>By: Mockingbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mockingbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris...

Chris Aug 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pm

Mockingbird,

Doesn't BUSH have the right to talk about more than one topic in a Rose Garden press conference?
______
Going back to this one -
all you did was try to browbeat for a somewhat non sequitor - which was even identified as tangental.

Yet you seem to weave disparate topics into your posts now &#38; again of dubious parentage. The only point of congruence being that they are positions you personally want to forward.

AND you tell me that Bush can talk about whatever he wishes &#38; enters his head, that I cannot be offended that he shoehorned the tragedy? Are you serious?

Bush used it as a device. If it was "inappropriate" for a distraught friend to go overboard in grief at the Wellstone funeral, or at least be painted as such...

then surely it was flip for Bush using the emotion &#38; topic of the bridge tragedy to appear to tie with his gripes about congress.

Now THAT was a non sequitor on Bush's part! AND calculated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8230;</p>
<p>Chris Aug 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pm</p>
<p>Mockingbird,</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t BUSH have the right to talk about more than one topic in a Rose Garden press conference?<br />
______<br />
Going back to this one -<br />
all you did was try to browbeat for a somewhat non sequitor - which was even identified as tangental.</p>
<p>Yet you seem to weave disparate topics into your posts now &amp; again of dubious parentage. The only point of congruence being that they are positions you personally want to forward.</p>
<p>AND you tell me that Bush can talk about whatever he wishes &amp; enters his head, that I cannot be offended that he shoehorned the tragedy? Are you serious?</p>
<p>Bush used it as a device. If it was &#8220;inappropriate&#8221; for a distraught friend to go overboard in grief at the Wellstone funeral, or at least be painted as such&#8230;</p>
<p>then surely it was flip for Bush using the emotion &amp; topic of the bridge tragedy to appear to tie with his gripes about congress.</p>
<p>Now THAT was a non sequitor on Bush&#8217;s part! AND&nbsp;calculated.</p>
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