Comments on: MDE Makes A Fool Out Of Himself…Again http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/ Tracking Minnesota Politics Since 2005 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:02:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Kerosene Hat http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5665 Kerosene Hat Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:56:42 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5665 Was weather a factor in the long term condition of the bridge? Yes. Can short periods of hot weather cause failures in engineered structures even though those structures have survived that level of temperature before? Yes. The truth is there will be multiple causes found that combined to cause the bridge to collapse. A weak design is more susceptible to the wear caused by cyclical stresses, corrosion or anything else. Does that mean the design was the cause? Was it the subsequent corrosion? In the end all the factors were part of the cause and anybody that claims there was only one simple cause is a fool. Hortman never mentioned global warming so people that make that claim are either lying or making an assumption simply because they didn't like her before hand. Her statement was a little naive and overly simplistic but didn't do any damage nor was it completely wrong. I don't like Hortman's stance on policy but she didn't do anything wrong here. Was weather a factor in the long term condition of the bridge? Yes. Can short periods of hot weather cause failures in engineered structures even though those structures have survived that level of temperature before? Yes.

The truth is there will be multiple causes found that combined to cause the bridge to collapse. A weak design is more susceptible to the wear caused by cyclical stresses, corrosion or anything else. Does that mean the design was the cause? Was it the subsequent corrosion? In the end all the factors were part of the cause and anybody that claims there was only one simple cause is a fool.

Hortman never mentioned global warming so people that make that claim are either lying or making an assumption simply because they didn’t like her before hand. Her statement was a little naive and overly simplistic but didn’t do any damage nor was it completely wrong. I don’t like Hortman’s stance on policy but she didn’t do anything wrong here.

]]> By: SeanH http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5664 SeanH Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:42:23 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5664 The fools are the ones who said she blamed it on Global Warming and those who try to change the subject about it. The fools are the ones who said she blamed it on Global Warming and those who try to change the subject about it.

]]> By: Chris http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5663 Chris Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:24:49 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5663 SeanH, The fools are the ones who don't know anything about bridges, haven't been down to the scene to check it out and are wildly speculating. Did you read the New York Times yesterday where experts are saying that the leading theory for why the bridge collapsed was a design defect? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/us/09cnd-bridge.html?ei=5065&en=dfa3aa04d82c27f4&ex=1187236800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print SeanH,

The fools are the ones who don’t know anything about bridges, haven’t been down to the scene to check it out and are wildly speculating.

Did you read the New York Times yesterday where experts are saying that the leading theory for why the bridge collapsed was a design defect? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/us/09cnd-bridge.html?ei=5065&en=dfa3aa04d82c27f4&ex=1187236800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

]]> By: SeanH http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5662 SeanH Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:05:41 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5662 The fools are the ones who said she blamed it on Global Warming. The fools are the ones who said she blamed it on Global Warming.

]]> By: Chris http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5661 Chris Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:52:59 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5661 It appears that Melissa Hortmann is the fool. The New York Times is reporting a design defect being the leading theory in the bridge collapse. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/us/09cnd-bridge.html?ei=5065&en=dfa3aa04d82c27f4&ex=1187236800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print It appears that Melissa Hortmann is the fool. The New York Times is reporting a design defect being the leading theory in the bridge collapse. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/us/09cnd-bridge.html?ei=5065&en=dfa3aa04d82c27f4&ex=1187236800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

]]> By: Swiftee http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5660 Swiftee Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:56:56 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5660 "...The fatigue on the metal most likely gets worse with age and the continued expansion/contraction caused by the wide temperature swings in this part of the country year after year are likely to have contributed to weakening." "As much as our dear Republican leaders consider themselves above the laws of man, I'm afraid that the laws of physics aren't as easily avoided." Bwahahaha! Where did you get your BSME MkNOb..MIT? Matchbook Institute of Technology.. Which physical laws are you referring to? Can you share the results of your exhaustive investigation? What model did you use to calculate your bending moments and shear forces? Did you use finite element analysis or did you opt for the boundry method? Or is it you've just emptied another bottle of gin to wash down your happy pills? C'mon now..tell us the truth. Bwahaha! “…The fatigue on the metal most likely gets worse with age and the continued expansion/contraction caused by the wide temperature swings in this part of the country year after year are likely to have contributed to weakening.”

“As much as our dear Republican leaders consider themselves above the laws of man, I’m afraid that the laws of physics aren’t as easily avoided.”

Bwahahaha! Where did you get your BSME MkNOb..MIT? Matchbook Institute of Technology..

Which physical laws are you referring to?

Can you share the results of your exhaustive investigation?

What model did you use to calculate your bending moments and shear forces?

Did you use finite element analysis or did you opt for the boundry method?

Or is it you’ve just emptied another bottle of gin to wash down your happy pills? C’mon now..tell us the truth. Bwahaha!

]]> By: MNObserver http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5659 MNObserver Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:01:05 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5659 wtm, in 1988 the bridge was 21 years old. In 2007, it's 40 years old. The fatigue on the metal most likely gets worse with age and the continued expansion/contraction caused by the wide temperature swings in this part of the country year after year are likely to have contributed to weakening. As much as our dear Republican leaders consider themselves above the laws of man, I'm afraid that the laws of physics aren't as easily avoided. wtm, in 1988 the bridge was 21 years old. In 2007, it’s 40 years old. The fatigue on the metal most likely gets worse with age and the continued expansion/contraction caused by the wide temperature swings in this part of the country year after year are likely to have contributed to weakening.

As much as our dear Republican leaders consider themselves above the laws of man, I’m afraid that the laws of physics aren’t as easily avoided.

]]> By: Minneapolitics http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5658 Minneapolitics Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:57:09 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5658 Chris, Better go back and read my blog again there, bud. I may as well be talking to a wall. Chris,

Better go back and read my blog again there, bud.

I may as well be talking to a wall.

]]> By: Nitro http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5657 Nitro Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:20:56 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5657 Again a series of right wing trolls who ignore the points of the left, exaggerate the points of the right, and continue to poison the well here at MN Publius. To think that there are people like this is the great State of Minnesota is a huge embarassment. Just what are these assholes trying to accomplish here? Unfortunately for the rightie trolls, the fruits of their actions here are motivating Democrats to absolutely make sure that their voices continue to have less and less political power by getting out the vote in 2008. I dislike every one of you scumbags more and more every time you post your filth here. You bet I'm getting out the vote, and at National Night Out the other day, discussing politics, I don't think there was a single person there who isn't going to get out there and vote against you righties. You're all full of shit, and we all know it, and we all are sick and tired of it all. Again a series of right wing trolls who ignore the points of the left, exaggerate the points of the right, and continue to poison the well here at MN Publius. To think that there are people like this is the great State of Minnesota is a huge embarassment. Just what are these assholes trying to accomplish here? Unfortunately for the rightie trolls, the fruits of their actions here are motivating Democrats to absolutely make sure that their voices continue to have less and less political power by getting out the vote in 2008. I dislike every one of you scumbags more and more every time you post your filth here. You bet I’m getting out the vote, and at National Night Out the other day, discussing politics, I don’t think there was a single person there who isn’t going to get out there and vote against you righties. You’re all full of shit, and we all know it, and we all are sick and tired of it all.

]]> By: Kerosene Hat http://mnpublius.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/comment-page-1/#comment-5656 Kerosene Hat Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:19:04 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/08/mde-makes-a-fool-out-of-himselfagain/#comment-5656 The truth is Hortman never mentions global warming. Anybody that claims she did is lying. People can assume she was thinking global warming but that assumption is based primarily on the desire to fabricate a story and commit fraud. If you think that weather can have no immediate or long term effect on a structure you have no idea what you are talking about. We might have had years or weeks with much hotter temperatures and nothing happened but other variables are different now. The bridge had rust on it before and nothing happened so rust can't be the problem right? Hortman's statement was a little naive and simplistic but not false or completely out of line. The post on MDE was simple ridiculous and fraudulent. The truth is Hortman never mentions global warming. Anybody that claims she did is lying. People can assume she was thinking global warming but that assumption is based primarily on the desire to fabricate a story and commit fraud.

If you think that weather can have no immediate or long term effect on a structure you have no idea what you are talking about. We might have had years or weeks with much hotter temperatures and nothing happened but other variables are different now. The bridge had rust on it before and nothing happened so rust can’t be the problem right?

Hortman’s statement was a little naive and simplistic but not false or completely out of line. The post on MDE was simple ridiculous and fraudulent.

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