Comments on: Klobuchar Votes To End The War http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/ Tracking Minnesota Politics Since 2005 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:18:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Dan http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7357 Dan Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:48:02 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7357 I think that Amy was nervous that if she voted the right way on the war, it would damage her well-cultivated reputation as a spineless turd. She found her out with the MoveOn resolution, so her reputation is safe. I think that Amy was nervous that if she voted the right way on the war, it would damage her well-cultivated reputation as a spineless turd. She found her out with the MoveOn resolution, so her reputation is safe.

]]> By: Kerosene Hat http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7356 Kerosene Hat Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:11:10 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7356 And some people question why there are so many people that think both parties are full of incompetent, corrupt, self serving, power-mongers that are loyal only to their party and winning elections and not the constitution and their constituents. Probably because both parties keep proving it. Anybody that refuses to consider voting "against" their chosen party is supporting this kind of behavior. And some people question why there are so many people that think both parties are full of incompetent, corrupt, self serving, power-mongers that are loyal only to their party and winning elections and not the constitution and their constituents. Probably because both parties keep proving it. Anybody that refuses to consider voting “against” their chosen party is supporting this kind of behavior.

]]> By: Gregg http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7355 Gregg Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:27:29 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7355 Fluff maybe, but I think free speech isn't. Amy and the idiot majority leadership should have kept that off the floor for more important issues. Debating this issue played right into the NEOCONS and other conservatives distracting us from more important issues. Like repealing FISA vote, restoring Habeas Corpus and ending the war. I am starting to wonder if Amy should do a Coleman and join the right. Then we would understand her votes. My money will go to Move On and others that support the constitution, freedom and mandatory term limits not crazy right wingers and inept/incompetent democrats. Fluff maybe, but I think free speech isn’t. Amy and the idiot majority leadership should have kept that off the floor for more important issues. Debating this issue played right into the NEOCONS and other conservatives distracting us from more important issues. Like repealing FISA vote, restoring Habeas Corpus and ending the war.
I am starting to wonder if Amy should do a Coleman and join the right. Then we would understand her votes. My money will go to Move On and others that support the constitution, freedom and mandatory term limits not crazy right wingers and inept/incompetent democrats.

]]> By: Justin http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7354 Justin Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:19:47 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7354 Another thing, why couldn't senate dems actually all get together, come up with talking points as to why this resolution is a waste of their time, and vote together on this? How did this even get to the floor? Don't the Dems control what even gets talked about? Here's what we need to do, in the following order: - Put John Edwards on the '08 Presidential ticket, which will increase out chances to... - Get a Dem back in the White House, and... - Increase our Senate majority - Elect Hillary Clinton as Senate Majority Leader - Kick Joe Lieberman to the curb Another thing, why couldn’t senate dems actually all get together, come up with talking points as to why this resolution is a waste of their time, and vote together on this? How did this even get to the floor? Don’t the Dems control what even gets talked about?

Here’s what we need to do, in the following order:

- Put John Edwards on the ‘08 Presidential ticket, which will increase out chances to…

- Get a Dem back in the White House, and…

- Increase our Senate majority

- Elect Hillary Clinton as Senate Majority Leader

- Kick Joe Lieberman to the curb

]]> By: noshrub http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7353 noshrub Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:56:06 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7353 Her FISA vote makes me sick and so does she. Her FISA vote makes me sick and so does she.

]]> By: Roseville Dem http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7352 Roseville Dem Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:03:37 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7352 Eva, in response to your comment, I am glad that they are having trouble, because the FISA vote was awful. That type of vote was not what we sent to her to D.C. to do, we sent her to stop bills like FISA. Until she can explain that vote adequately to me I am not giving her money. Eva, in response to your comment, I am glad that they are having trouble, because the FISA vote was awful. That type of vote was not what we sent to her to D.C. to do, we sent her to stop bills like FISA. Until she can explain that vote adequately to me I am not giving her money.

]]> By: Nitro http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7351 Nitro Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:41:57 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7351 Update: MoveOn's donations are up to $1,440,000 since Thursday. Again, the average donation ahs been around $50.00. Update:

MoveOn’s donations are up to $1,440,000 since Thursday. Again, the average donation ahs been around $50.00.

]]> By: Nitro http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7350 Nitro Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:29:10 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7350 Mockingbird, I don't know if you saw the poll numbers after Bush's speech last week, but more people actually wanted to bring the troops home AFTER Bush's speech than before, not to mention the mysterious higher poll numbers of the Democratic rebuttal in comparison to Bush's speech, even on Faux news. On Thursday, MoveOn raised over $500,000 in less that 24 hours. I'm pretty sure they raised equal or greater amounts on Friday. The average donation was $50.00. Everytime I turn on the radio I hear more people say they're donating to MoveOn. Big Ed even went to bat for them. What some like to call "left wing extremism" is quickly becoming the mainstream thought. The so-called negative publicity is only helping Moveon raise more money. Interestingly, there were a large amount of troops who have joined MoveOn since Thursday. Don't think MoveOn will shy away from that ststistic. What would happen if MoveOn smartly marketed that fact? What does that tell you about the political landscape now in comparison to how it was the Spring of 2004? I would expect we not only haven't seen the last of MoveOn, we will see them able to use their newly found riches to market their point of view at a level we have never seen before. If I was a rightie I would be pretty concerned about this, especially considering the huge laundry list of incompetence, corruption, and dishonesty most Americans have witnessed over the last six years. Make excuses all you want, defend it all and blame Democrats or Clinton all you want, righties, it's a whole new ball game now. I'm sure the righties, as they continue to spin, think they can simply spin MoveOn as a hate group and that will help them. That is exactly what I hope they do try to do. Incompetence is as incompetence does....and besides, have the righties really correctly predicted anything? Their hubris is their undoing. Mockingbird,

I don’t know if you saw the poll numbers after Bush’s speech last week, but more people actually wanted to bring the troops home AFTER Bush’s speech than before, not to mention the mysterious higher poll numbers of the Democratic rebuttal in comparison to Bush’s speech, even on Faux news.

On Thursday, MoveOn raised over $500,000 in less that 24 hours. I’m pretty sure they raised equal or greater amounts on Friday. The average donation was $50.00. Everytime I turn on the radio I hear more people say they’re donating to MoveOn. Big Ed even went to bat for them. What some like to call “left wing extremism” is quickly becoming the mainstream thought. The so-called negative publicity is only helping Moveon raise more money.

Interestingly, there were a large amount of troops who have joined MoveOn since Thursday. Don’t think MoveOn will shy away from that ststistic. What would happen if MoveOn smartly marketed that fact?

What does that tell you about the political landscape now in comparison to how it was the Spring of 2004?

I would expect we not only haven’t seen the last of MoveOn, we will see them able to use their newly found riches to market their point of view at a level we have never seen before. If I was a rightie I would be pretty concerned about this, especially considering the huge laundry list of incompetence, corruption, and dishonesty most Americans have witnessed over the last six years.

Make excuses all you want, defend it all and blame Democrats or Clinton all you want, righties, it’s a whole new ball game now.

I’m sure the righties, as they continue to spin, think they can simply spin MoveOn as a hate group and that will help them. That is exactly what I hope they do try to do.

Incompetence is as incompetence does….and besides, have the righties really correctly predicted anything? Their hubris is their undoing.

]]> By: NMockingbird http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7339 NMockingbird Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:19:35 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7339 During Sunday's football game... If there's a questionable referee call to be decided in the booth... maybe we should have congress convene & have a resolution about the football call. 527's have been ignored. When it served the white house. Lobbyists are ignored - except when Grover Norquist worked toward requiring that lobbyists be exclusively Republican. A litmus test. Its all about expecting the American public to have ADD - to be so baffled by BS that they can't see that its a different case for goose & gander they want. They're taking that warming blanket in the homecoming game stands away from you by small tugs... OH it was just a tug on a blanket, folks... A momentary bad resolution on something the congress - who has hearings on steroid use in baseball & other distractions, has no business doing - when they should instead be concerned about the welfare of the troops... Playing high school student council & voting on inconsequential things, playing "office" playing "school." During Sunday’s football game…

If there’s a questionable referee call to be decided in the booth…
maybe we should have congress convene & have a resolution about the football call.

527’s have been ignored. When it served the white house.
Lobbyists are ignored - except when Grover Norquist worked toward requiring that lobbyists be exclusively Republican. A litmus test.

Its all about expecting the American public to have ADD - to be so baffled by BS that they can’t see that its a different case for goose & gander they want.

They’re taking that warming blanket in the homecoming game stands away from you by small tugs…

OH it was just a tug on a blanket, folks…
A momentary bad resolution on something the congress - who has hearings on steroid use in baseball & other distractions, has no business doing - when they should instead be concerned about the welfare of the troops…

Playing high school student council & voting on inconsequential things, playing “office” playing “school.”

]]> By: Mockingbird http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7340 Mockingbird Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:06:46 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7340 The MoveOn resolution was a con - yes. So Amy cooperated in a Neo-con game to criticize something which, despite its inflammatory nature, was merely a criticism. This is not on par with the SwiftBoat Liars, though its being painted as such. THOSE were LIES! Even as it is being falsely compared - we fail to recognize the white house silence on the SwiftBoat Lies!!! Agreeing to something like this - a calculate GAME will have consequences downstream. It makes all who signed it - enablers of the early stages of a sham. If anyone agreed to war resolutions in the past for good faith agreement & trust in the white house, yet it got that vote spun as complicity, when the white house misused the cooperation -- well, what does THIS "meaningless" signature say? This isn't high school student council deciding on bunting or which poster to use for homecoming. The MoveOn ad was a plea for Patraeus to deserve the trust we had in his honor. That he would produce an honest report for the sake of the troops, not a pre-approved political statement. It was only going to have legs if the right wing pundits flog it. Everyone seems to ignore that few, if any are calling Patraeus that name from the LEFT. Its all the Neo-con right's game - they put Patraeus on the spit to see if they could make something of it - and they were prepared to cook him on that spit, if the ploy failed. Rove won the day. Obama had the correct response - don't play a sham game. "When did you stop beating your wife" - with only 2 possible answers requires people who can reason to know that its a false construct. The MoveOn resolution was a con - yes.

So Amy cooperated in a Neo-con game to criticize something which, despite its inflammatory nature, was merely a criticism.

This is not on par with the SwiftBoat Liars, though its being painted as such. THOSE were LIES!

Even as it is being falsely compared - we fail to recognize the white house silence on the SwiftBoat Lies!!!

Agreeing to something like this - a calculate GAME
will have consequences downstream. It makes all who signed it - enablers of the early stages of a sham.

If anyone agreed to war resolutions in the past for good faith agreement & trust in the white house, yet it got that vote spun as complicity, when the white house misused the cooperation — well, what does THIS “meaningless” signature say?

This isn’t high school student council deciding on bunting or which poster to use for homecoming.

The MoveOn ad was a plea for Patraeus to deserve the trust we had in his honor. That he would produce an honest report for the sake of the troops, not a pre-approved political statement.

It was only going to have legs if the right wing pundits flog it.
Everyone seems to ignore that few, if any are calling Patraeus that name from the LEFT.

Its all the Neo-con right’s game -
they put Patraeus on the spit to see if they could make something of it - and they were prepared to cook him on that spit, if the ploy failed. Rove won the day.

Obama had the correct response - don’t play a sham game.
“When did you stop beating your wife” - with only 2 possible answers requires people who can reason to know that its a false construct.

]]> By: Eva Young http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7349 Eva Young Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:27:43 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7349 By the way, sources tell me that Klobuchar's votes on FISA and some other recent votes are making it harder for the DFL to raise money. By the way, sources tell me that Klobuchar’s votes on FISA and some other recent votes are making it harder for the DFL to raise money.

]]> By: Eva Young http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7348 Eva Young Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:25:59 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7348 They aren't buying it over at Democratic Underground: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x27388 They aren’t buying it over at Democratic Underground: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x27388

]]> By: CMS http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7347 CMS Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:11:02 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7347 If you think this vote means nothing, you are seriously, seriously mistaken. After the Iraq fuding, FISA, and now this, how long are you going to continue to defend these votes? Every Amy apologist I know comes right back with all the good votes she has made, and make up excuses for the Iraq Supplemental and FISA votes (I for one am sick of hearing these excuses). Yes, she has made good votes, but I'm not forgetting the bad ones. We have a right as her constituents to speak up when we are disappointed with her actions, and if we remain quiet and just shrug it off, we're not doing our duty as voting citizens. If you think this vote means nothing, you are seriously, seriously mistaken. After the Iraq fuding, FISA, and now this, how long are you going to continue to defend these votes?

Every Amy apologist I know comes right back with all the good votes she has made, and make up excuses for the Iraq Supplemental and FISA votes (I for one am sick of hearing these excuses). Yes, she has made good votes, but I’m not forgetting the bad ones. We have a right as her constituents to speak up when we are disappointed with her actions, and if we remain quiet and just shrug it off, we’re not doing our duty as voting citizens.

]]> By: Iron Range http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7346 Iron Range Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:03:18 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7346 Good job Amy K. Good job Amy K.

]]> By: John S http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7345 John S Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:03:51 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7345 First, while I thought MoveOn.org's add was a stupid thing to run if its an organization that wants to bring US troops home, I think much of these furor has been politics from a party and a President who are desperate. Condemning it on the floor of the Senate sets an extremely bad precedent. I've mentioned enough on this site how there has been a trend towards forms of what could be called fascism in some parts of the Republican party; this is another sign of it. Besides, it gives MoveOn.org more attention than its actual influence on American politics really warrants. But here's the point - getting out of Iraq under this President will require a Senate vote. Senate votes are all about politics, and deals, and allowing the Senators that give the most ground to have something to take back to their constituents. Any Republican who votes for withdrawal who hasn't already will have to wrap that decision in patriotism, and if the anti-MoveOn.org resolution helps them, well, it doesn't make that resolution right, but it makes it useful. So basically, I'm not that upset that Klobuchar made an expedient vote on what we should remember is a non-binding resolution. She voted the right way on the bill that actually addresses getting US troops out of Iraq. First, while I thought MoveOn.org’s add was a stupid thing to run if its an organization that wants to bring US troops home, I think much of these furor has been politics from a party and a President who are desperate. Condemning it on the floor of the Senate sets an extremely bad precedent. I’ve mentioned enough on this site how there has been a trend towards forms of what could be called fascism in some parts of the Republican party; this is another sign of it. Besides, it gives MoveOn.org more attention than its actual influence on American politics really warrants.

But here’s the point - getting out of Iraq under this President will require a Senate vote. Senate votes are all about politics, and deals, and allowing the Senators that give the most ground to have something to take back to their constituents. Any Republican who votes for withdrawal who hasn’t already will have to wrap that decision in patriotism, and if the anti-MoveOn.org resolution helps them, well, it doesn’t make that resolution right, but it makes it useful.

So basically, I’m not that upset that Klobuchar made an expedient vote on what we should remember is a non-binding resolution. She voted the right way on the bill that actually addresses getting US troops out of Iraq.

]]> By: Renee http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7344 Renee Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:55:28 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7344 I strongly agree with the above comments and will not add to the perfectly crafted remarks except to say that I have witnessed a pretty obvious march toward open fascism in this country during my lifetime. As someone once remarked, the Democrat-Republican thing is just a smokescreen to divert our attention until the trap snaps shut. I strongly agree with the above comments and will not add to the perfectly crafted remarks except to say that I have witnessed a pretty obvious march toward open fascism in this country during my lifetime. As someone once remarked, the Democrat-Republican thing is just a smokescreen to divert our attention until the trap snaps shut.

]]> By: Bob T http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7343 Bob T Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:16:50 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7343 Suspend the Constitition - Trash the First Amendment! Nobody Cares! Zack, you are off base on this. This is not about MoveOn. This is about the Republican party's eagerness to attack the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them, and about the Democrats new willingness to help them do it. It is about raising the Military up above the authority of Civilians. I was upset and frightened that the US Senate, with the active support of my senator, used their legal power to condemn a political position and a political tactic by a citizen group. This group committed no violence, made no threats, used no hate speech, did not foment revolution or riots. This group disagreed with a president and insulted a general! What kind of banana republic do we want to be anyway? Generalissimo Bush wants Democrats, and all Americans to be "afraid of [...] irritating the United States military"??!! More than anything, America is about Freedom. Freedom Of the Press. Freedom Of Speech. and the right to "to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Klobuchar, in a craven disregard for her duty to protect ALL of our rights, voted to do the politically expedient thing and condemn a newspaper ad, simply because the Republicans are having conniptions. She should be ashamed, along will all the Republicans and all the other Democrats that are willing to so easily throw away what many of my own ancestors believed they were fighting for in American wars since 1890. ( I have not served ) Suspend the Constitition - Trash the First Amendment!
Nobody Cares!

Zack, you are off base on this. This is not about MoveOn. This is about the Republican party’s eagerness to attack the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them, and about the Democrats new willingness to help them do it. It is about raising the Military up above the authority of Civilians.

I was upset and frightened that the US Senate, with the active support of my senator, used their legal power to condemn a political position and a political tactic by a citizen group. This group committed no violence, made no threats, used no hate speech, did not foment revolution or riots. This group disagreed with a president and insulted a general!

What kind of banana republic do we want to be anyway? Generalissimo Bush wants Democrats, and all Americans to be “afraid of […] irritating the United States military”??!!

More than anything, America is about Freedom.
Freedom Of the Press.
Freedom Of Speech.
and the right to “to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

Klobuchar, in a craven disregard for her duty to protect ALL of our rights, voted to do the politically expedient thing and condemn a newspaper ad, simply because the Republicans are having conniptions.

She should be ashamed, along will all the Republicans and all the other Democrats that are willing to so easily throw away what many of my own ancestors believed they were fighting for in American wars since 1890. ( I have not served )

]]> By: Kevin http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7342 Kevin Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:56:45 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7342 Zack, you're right that the Move-On resolution was fluff, but the "pubs lapped it up and tried to make it into an act of treason. Even if Amy "disapproved" of the resolution for the reasons you describe, the wording of the resolution was something completely different, and was indefensible. Amy's vote in favor of it wasn't an act of conscience, it was pandering, and my e-mail to her said so. Zack, you’re right that the Move-On resolution was fluff, but the “pubs lapped it up and tried to make it into an act of treason. Even if Amy “disapproved” of the resolution for the reasons you describe, the wording of the resolution was something completely different, and was indefensible. Amy’s vote in favor of it wasn’t an act of conscience, it was pandering, and my e-mail to her said so.

]]> By: Justin http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7341 Justin Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:09:43 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/klobuchar-votes-to-end-the-war/#comment-7341 I e-mailed the Senator this morning thanking her for her vote on the Feingold amendment, but I also let her know that I was disappointed in her MoveOn vote. You're right, this resolution was fluff and nothing more than a political ploy. But she still voted wrong. Rebuking MoveOn for the ad does not equal "supporting the troops". It's actually a vote of support for Petraeus, which in my mind is also a vote of support for the draft-dodging president's war. The ad, as lame as some of us think it may have been, was quite supportive of the troops as it calls for the general to stop perpetuating Bush's failed Iraq strategy. I still strongly support the senator, and her vote to remove our troops from Iraq is commendable, but it is our right and our duty to let the senator know what we think...especially when her votes play right into the slimy hands of senate republicans. I don't remember the senate taking any action when the Swift Boaters smeared John Kerry, a war hero, with horrific lies. The only difference between the Swift Boat ads and the MoveOn ad is that the Swift Boat ads were filled with intentional mistruths, continued on for weeks and were much more malicious. I e-mailed the Senator this morning thanking her for her vote on the Feingold amendment, but I also let her know that I was disappointed in her MoveOn vote.

You’re right, this resolution was fluff and nothing more than a political ploy. But she still voted wrong.

Rebuking MoveOn for the ad does not equal “supporting the troops”. It’s actually a vote of support for Petraeus, which in my mind is also a vote of support for the draft-dodging president’s war. The ad, as lame as some of us think it may have been, was quite supportive of the troops as it calls for the general to stop perpetuating Bush’s failed Iraq strategy.

I still strongly support the senator, and her vote to remove our troops from Iraq is commendable, but it is our right and our duty to let the senator know what we think…especially when her votes play right into the slimy hands of senate republicans.

I don’t remember the senate taking any action when the Swift Boaters smeared John Kerry, a war hero, with horrific lies. The only difference between the Swift Boat ads and the MoveOn ad is that the Swift Boat ads were filled with intentional mistruths, continued on for weeks and were much more malicious.

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