Comments on: The First Cattle Call http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/ Tracking Minnesota Politics Since 2005 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:44:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Joe http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7250 Joe Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:53:14 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7250 I second Dan's thinking. ~ J I second Dan’s thinking. ~ J

]]> By: Dan http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7249 Dan Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:45:41 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7249 Sean, I was thinking more along the lines of Mike Hatch, Roger Moe, John Marty, Ann Wynia, and Patty Wetterling. Or in 2000, when the nominee was such a complete joke (Jerry Janisich) that everybody ran in the primary. As far as your examples, was Walz even opposed on the DFL side? Was Peterson opposed on the DFL side when first elected? Oberstar, McCollum and Ellison all got elected in safe DFL districts, so the main problem with the endorsement process - picking unelectable candidates - doesn't come into play. Dan Sean,

I was thinking more along the lines of Mike Hatch, Roger Moe, John Marty, Ann Wynia, and Patty Wetterling. Or in 2000, when the nominee was such a complete joke (Jerry Janisich) that everybody ran in the primary.

As far as your examples, was Walz even opposed on the DFL side? Was Peterson opposed on the DFL side when first elected? Oberstar, McCollum and Ellison all got elected in safe DFL districts, so the main problem with the endorsement process - picking unelectable candidates - doesn’t come into play.

Dan

]]> By: EdenPrairieMan http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7248 EdenPrairieMan Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:19:07 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7248 With all of these people in the race, there will be a primary. With a primary will come Humphrey's best opportunity to squeak through and get killed by Koblick or even Paulsen. Bonoff and Simon are poised to fare the best at this point. The key is to rally this bunch around abiding by the endorsement and then making sure they stick to it. That will force them to organize supporters for the caucuses which will naturally increase overall participation in the DFL. So, the only losers are the insiders who can't and haven't brought any new blood into this process. With all of these people in the race, there will be a primary.

With a primary will come Humphrey’s best opportunity to squeak through and get killed by Koblick or even Paulsen. Bonoff and Simon are poised to fare the best at this point.

The key is to rally this bunch around abiding by the endorsement and then making sure they stick to it. That will force them to organize supporters for the caucuses which will naturally increase overall participation in the DFL. So, the only losers are the insiders who can’t and haven’t brought any new blood into this process.

]]> By: tom a. http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7247 tom a. Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:50:21 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7247 The Star Trib loves Hortman--a big plus in a metro district. The Star Trib loves Hortman — a big plus in a metro district.

]]> By: Sean http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7246 Sean Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:37:13 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7246 Yeah Dan you're right. Except for Jim Oberstar, Colin Peterson, Tim Walz, Betty McCollum, Keith Ellison, Rebecca Otto, and Mark Ritchie. Sean Yeah Dan you’re right. Except for Jim Oberstar, Colin Peterson, Tim Walz, Betty McCollum, Keith Ellison, Rebecca Otto, and Mark Ritchie.

Sean

]]> By: Dan http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7245 Dan Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:55:36 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7245 Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If the candidate gets chosen by the DFL endorsement process - a method the DFL has long used to find the worst possible candidate - we lose. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If the candidate gets chosen by the DFL endorsement process - a method the DFL has long used to find the worst possible candidate - we lose.

]]> By: Dan Weinand http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7244 Dan Weinand Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:40:27 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7244 The 3rd Cd DFL is trying to do everything it can to keep theplaying field fair and open to avoid having a primary. I really wish people would stop talking about a primary as if it is already a certainty. This isn't Minneapolis or St. Paul. If this district goes to a contested primary, we lose. Period. I think the prospective candidates understand this, and I'm hopeful that we can all be united to take this seat come april. The 3rd Cd DFL is trying to do everything it can to keep theplaying field fair and open to avoid having a primary.

I really wish people would stop talking about a primary as if it is already a certainty. This isn’t Minneapolis or St. Paul. If this district goes to a contested primary, we lose. Period.

I think the prospective candidates understand this, and I’m hopeful that we can all be united to take this seat come april.

]]> By: st paul sage http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7243 st paul sage Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:43:57 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7243 Both Terri and Melissa need to have an endorsement to clear the field (probably not quite clear but be the one endorsed candidate who's a woman against a bunch of white men) and not fall to the Humphrey or Luther name in a primary. It's weird to be thinking to the endgame like this, but if you don't know where you're going, you won't get there... Both Terri and Melissa need to have an endorsement to clear the field (probably not quite clear but be the one endorsed candidate who’s a woman against a bunch of white men) and not fall to the Humphrey or Luther name in a primary.

It’s weird to be thinking to the endgame like this, but if you don’t know where you’re going, you won’t get there…

]]> By: 43 http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7242 43 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:41:46 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7242 Both Bonoff and Hortman would be great candidates. You're right sps, Bonoff has the advantage of not having to give up her seat, she represents twice as many people as Hortman, and she seems better connected to fundraise. I think a person would choose Hortman because she has done a better job demonstrating leadership in the legislature and would be much more powerful in Washington than Bonhoff. Also, Hortman has the edge with environment and labor folks, which could really help her earn the DFL endorsement. If Hortman doesn't receive the DFL endorsement, it might give Bonoff a boost, it'd help her appear more moderate to conservatives in the 3rd cd. It is really a win-win for both women to seek the endorsement, they both should go for it, may the best women win (sorry luger, but you're great at what u do) The trick is to be or "to look" not so moderate that you don't receive the DFL endorsement, but moderate enough to actually win the 3rd CD. There's no room for a spine in the cd3, is there? The Republicans will have to struggle with the same thing. Will they endorse an unelectable nut-job like Joyce Peppin, or will they select someone like HC commish Linda Koblick, who would be very dangerous against the DFL candidate. Both Bonoff and Hortman would be great candidates. You’re right sps, Bonoff has the advantage of not having to give up her seat, she represents twice as many people as Hortman, and she seems better connected to fundraise.
I think a person would choose Hortman because she has done a better job demonstrating leadership in the legislature and would be much more powerful in Washington than Bonhoff. Also, Hortman has the edge with environment and labor folks, which could really help her earn the DFL endorsement. If Hortman doesn’t receive the DFL endorsement, it might give Bonoff a boost, it’d help her appear more moderate to conservatives in the 3rd cd. It is really a win-win for both women to seek the endorsement, they both should go for it, may the best women win (sorry luger, but you’re great at what u do) The trick is to be or “to look” not so moderate that you don’t receive the DFL endorsement, but moderate enough to actually win the 3rd CD. There’s no room for a spine in the cd3, is there? The Republicans will have to struggle with the same thing. Will they endorse an unelectable nut-job like Joyce Peppin, or will they select someone like HC commish Linda Koblick, who would be very dangerous against the DFL candidate.

]]> By: st paul sage http://mnpublius.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7241 st paul sage Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:39:48 +0000 http://s23139.gridserver.com/2007/09/the-first-cattle-call/#comment-7241 If we assume that the best candidate is a moderate woman who has been elected in the 3rd (a big if, I know, but that's how I feel), Terri Bonoff seems to have signigicant advantages - doesn't have to give up seat, is familiar to twice as many 3rd D voters. Why would a person choose Melissa Hortman instead of Ms. Bonoff? If we assume that the best candidate is a moderate woman who has been elected in the 3rd (a big if, I know, but that’s how I feel), Terri Bonoff seems to have signigicant advantages - doesn’t have to give up seat, is familiar to twice as many 3rd D voters.

Why would a person choose Melissa Hortman instead of Ms. Bonoff?

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