Coleman’s Attempt to Deflect attention from his Record on Iraq and the Truth behind the Allegations

by Matt Martin | 26 Comments
December 3, 2007, 5:24 pm | Category: MN 2008: Senate | Tags: , .

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  • Big Kahuna
    December 3, 2007 at 5:53 pm

    Nice try with the headline but the true meaning of that video is how Franken flip-flops and then lies about his flip-flops. Angry Al will not be elected EVER!

  • Dan
    December 3, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    Matt, you are so completely wrong on this.

    “In reality there doesn’t seem to be any record of Franken speaking out in favor of the war.”

    WTF? Franken admits in his book that he attended a Clear-Channel sponsored pro-war rally. This wasn’t support for the war resolution - this was support to start the f-ing war.

    Do you want some honest analysis? Franken is completely busted. Coleman doesn’t have to spin anything - all he has to do is play Franken quotes. I almost wonder if Franken’s lying problem is pathological - you can’t say things that completely contradict your prior statements if you are going to survive in politics.

    Coleman is trying to take the focus away from his own record? Of course he is. And if the Democrats are stupid enough to nominate Al Franken, Coleman will get away with it.

  • Nitro
    December 3, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    YEs, yes,

    Of course Al and Kerry, and a host of other Democrats, are the only flip floppers in American politics, and of course, Al has no reason to be angry whatsoever. I don’t know what his problem is…..other than anger for no reason. He must be crazy.

  • Dan
    December 3, 2007 at 6:03 pm

    Nitro, there is a difference between changing your position and claiming that you never held the position in the first place. The first qualifies as “flip-flopping,” while the second is lying. While Kerry and a lot of other Democrats may be flip-floppers, Al Franken is also a liar.

    Al Franken may well be crazy if he really thinks he is a viable candidate for Senate.

  • Nitro
    December 3, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    Wow thank you for splitting hairs, Dan.

    Bye bye for now, loser.

  • Dan
    December 3, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    Splitting hairs? Drinking that Franken kool-aid is starting to affect you, Nitro.

  • Nitro
    December 3, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    You’re being quoted, thanks, Dan. Good one.

  • Dan
    December 3, 2007 at 6:18 pm

    I am also looking forward to Franken’s response to the “allegations.” The “allegations” seem pretty strong, since they are actual quotes by Franken.

  • Roxy
    December 3, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    Dan? What? Clear channel sponsored pro-war rally? Are you serious? Sorry to be the first one to let you down, but that never happened. Never. Was not a real event. Google it.

    Matt, don’t worry, some of us out here understand a “joke”.

  • john
    December 3, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    read the news lately?// we are winning the war, it is NOT a disaster, and certainly will NOT be an issue in 08

  • purpleblogdog
    December 4, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Hey, I keep clicking on the ad, but it wont play. Is there a reason it doesnt work, or was that intentional?

  • Dan
    December 4, 2007 at 1:17 am

    Roxy, I can’t tell if you are just ignorant or if you are a being dishonest like Franken. Franken talks about it in his book. Here’s a link (found by using Google, no less)

    http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/03.03.04/franken-0410.html

    “In the beginning, Franken was pro-war, even giving a speech for Clear Channel Communications in which he said in part, “Today we are all Americans, except for NPR listeners, who always seem a little French to me. If I could be serious for a minute. I know your prayers are with our men and women fighting in Iraq, who are there protecting us from Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.”

    Today, Franken seems to regret that speech, which he writes in his book that he made because of the pervading sense of fear in the United States, but tells me he made because Colin Powell’s speech to the U.N. convinced him the war was necessary. At this point, he doesn’t favor pulling out of Iraq.”

    Sorry, but the Clear-channel pro-war rallies were real events and Franken was at one, expressing his support for the war. The joke is that Franken supporters are completely delusional about the many failings of their candidate.

  • Paulsing
    December 4, 2007 at 2:54 am

    Oh, snap!

    Pretty much the defenses I’ve heard for Franken are:
    1) “Coleman sucks” (he does, but that isn’t the point)
    2) “Franken didn’t say those things!” (See, there’s this video the Coleman campaign just put up …)
    3) Dan is a “loser”
    4) John Kerry is actually Al Franken
    5) “Al couldn’t possibly have supported the war because, like, he’s my candidate!!!”

    What is wrong with you people? It’s fine to support Al if you want - he’s got his good spots. But, really, don’t act so damned delusional about it, you’re sounding like the W Drones. It’s all there! There shouldn’t be a debate about his war views, yet even when THE CLIPS SAY IT ALL you say that the clips lie.

    Accept it and move on. Or don’t accept it and support someone else. But don’t ir-rationalize it until you’re just like the Bush lackies, circa 2003. It’s gotten to the point where, in this post at least, you make that ass-clown Kahuna sound more in-touch than you.

  • Nitro
    December 4, 2007 at 8:32 am

    “Dan is a loser”

    He is a loser. I stand by my comment. It has nothing to do with this post, it has to do with the fact that he is an MDE troll.

    I could make that same comment anywhere on this blog, and it definitely applies every time.

  • Big Kahuna
    December 4, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Nitro is back with more intelligent commentary. :)

    Talk about trolls, Nitro you are one yourself! A pathetic attempt, but one none the less.

    It is going to bother Franken supporters during his run because there are just too many recorded moments of Angry Al spouting off about something and then changing positions and claiming he never held his original position. He cannot claim it was a “joke” every time. People are going to see this stuff and it will end Angry Al’s run early.

  • Michael B. Brodkorb
    December 4, 2007 at 10:17 am

    Matt: Franken said “cut off funding for the troops.” While I know you would like to claim that Franken said cut off funding for the war, but he didn’t. He said the troops.

    I’m also curious why Franken’s campaign won’t detail what is dishonest about the ad. Only in the liberal blogosphere and in Franken’s campaign is creating an ad with video clips dishonest.

    I agree with Eric Black, your rebuttal isn’t very persuasive.

  • Roxy
    December 4, 2007 at 10:21 am

    Dan,

    Ok, look. If you DID read the book, you might remember that the part of the book you’re talking about is when Franken is supposetly on a show called “Morning Asylum with Dave and the Donut Lover.” If you really think that this is a truthful passage, and not a joke, than there is nothing I can do to help you. Godspeed.

  • Big Kahuna
    December 4, 2007 at 11:26 am

    Why of course, anything Franken says negative will be claimed as a joke. ;)

    The real joke is Franken himself. :)

  • IoannesMagnumus
    December 4, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    I saw Ceresi at the Building Trades Holiday Party last night, not a big crowd around him, but nobody was talking about Franken being the big ticket answer. I didn’t even see Franken there, though he might have been there early and left shortly thereafter. Why do I get the feeling that Ceresi’s entire strategy is “wait until Franken steps on his own tool, then I will come in and save the day”.

  • Melvin
    December 4, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    Franken’s “response” is a non-response. It happens to be true, but it isn’t a response to the Coleman thing. On the other hand, what could he say? It’s not as if he can deny saying what’s on film.

  • Dan
    December 5, 2007 at 10:35 am

    See Roxy, the problem with Franken’s books is that they are half true and half satire, and its not always clear which is which. Franken thinks he can explain anything damaging away as satire, which just isn’t going to work.

    In any case, the Clear Channel rally was real. Do you even acknowledge that Franken was a supporter of the war?

    http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=4206

    Nitro, for what its worth (and given your reasoning skills, its probably not worth much) I have never posted anything on MDE or any other right wing blog. Again, I want to beat Norm Coleman and that isn’t going to happen if we nominate Franken. The MDE crowd is just mocking us here because they believe Franken is a sure thing, and with people like Roxy who would belive the sky is green if Al Franken says it is, they are probably right.

  • Roxy
    December 5, 2007 at 11:39 am

    Dan, I really don’t want to fight with you about your inability to figure out what is and isn’t a joke.

    Since you have been so kind to provide links for myself and these readers, I would like to refer you to a post on mnpublius.com: “Coleman’s Attempt to Deflect attention from his Record on Iraq and the Truth behind the Allegations”. It has some great insights about Franken’s stance on the war, and why he may or may not have said the things that he did.

    Oh, right, and once again: “Morning Asylum with Dave and the Donut Lover”. Because it’s just too damn funny.

  • Dan
    December 5, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    Roxy, do you still not believe that Franken spoke at the pro-war Clear Channel rally? Why don’t you ask Franken then - he won’t deny it because its true. For some interesting reading on Franken’s war positions, hit this link:

    http://www.ericblackink.com/2007/09/12/an-open-letter-to-al-franken-why-did-you-support-the-iraq-war/#more-85

    I agree that Franken’s books are funny. What is not funny is that Al Franken supported a pre-emptive war on a country that posed no threat to us. What is not funny is that the DFL may be stupid enough to nominate Franken for senate. Keep drinking your Kool-aid, and enjoy six more years of Norm Coleman.

  • Big Kahuna
    December 5, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    If they put Franken up, Coleman is a for sure thing. :)

    Angry Al has the same issue Angry Mike Hatch had and he will not be electable.

  • Mockingbird
    December 6, 2007 at 9:34 am

    Oh, c’mon Big Kahuna - what do you REALLY think?

    “Angry Al” makes you sound like you are trying to be funny.
    You are not succeeding - Its a lame gag, BK.

    Who do you think you can sway with that here?

    You aren’t going to make it as a Rove wannabee with THAT kind of material! LOL.

    Its just so silly that you have to come HERE - to try & persuade people with talking points.

  • Big Kahuna
    December 6, 2007 at 11:31 am

    Mocking bird, you new medication must be working as they let you use the computer again. :)

    I think you already KNOW that Angry AL is going to lose and you come here to try and persuade folks to think otherwise. You and his supporters seems to be the only folks who believe he can win.

    One does not need to look hard to find videos of Angry Al spouting off and getting in peoples faces. he is a very angry hateful man and that will come out and just as with Hatch, MN voters will not take to it at all.

    So Mocking bird, care to bet who will win? ;)

    Glad to see your back and posting, we were worried they might not let you out again. ;) (Liberal Kool Aid and depression pills do not mix well, glad you survived)

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