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	<title>Comments on: Thank You Lord, For Sending Me Ron Carey</title>
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		<title>By: The Lady Logician</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/01/thank-you-lord-for-sending-me-ron-carey/#comment-11179</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lady Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean - well done post.  I have to agree - this was not a smart move on the Chairman&#039;s part at all.

Gopgal - YOU of all people should know that Evie Axdahl, Tony Sutton and Brian Sullivan are ALL VOLUNTEERS and Ron Carey is a VERY WELL PAID employee of the MN GOP and the MN GOP (his employers) are made up of all of the grass roots activists, including Andy Aplikowski, Michael Brodkob, you and I!  In the end, as an employee he has to answer to the majority of the MNGOP shareholders who are his employer and if the majority sees an inherent conflict of interest (which as Sean laid out is very real) well then the Chairman has a huge problem on his hands.

Personally, I don&#039;t want to see him fired - but I would like to see him make a choice between the MNGOP and the Huckabee campaign.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean - well done post.  I have to agree - this was not a smart move on the Chairman&#8217;s part at&nbsp;all.</p>
<p>Gopgal - YOU of all people should know that Evie Axdahl, Tony Sutton and Brian Sullivan are ALL VOLUNTEERS and Ron Carey is a VERY WELL PAID employee of the MN GOP and the MN GOP (his employers) are made up of all of the grass roots activists, including Andy Aplikowski, Michael Brodkob, you and I!  In the end, as an employee he has to answer to the majority of the MNGOP shareholders who are his employer and if the majority sees an inherent conflict of interest (which as Sean laid out is very real) well then the Chairman has a huge problem on his&nbsp;hands.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t want to see him fired - but I would like to see him make a choice between the MNGOP and the Huckabee&nbsp;campaign.</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOPgal, please keep saying that Ron Carey&#039;s lastest epic blunder doesn&#039;t matter.

The Democrats are thrilled to have your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOPgal, please keep saying that Ron Carey&#8217;s lastest epic blunder doesn&#8217;t&nbsp;matter.</p>
<p>The Democrats are thrilled to have your&nbsp;help.</p>
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		<title>By: gopgal</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/01/thank-you-lord-for-sending-me-ron-carey/#comment-11166</link>
		<dc:creator>gopgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see the big deal here, we must have a fundamental disagreement here.  I believe that Ron Carey, as Brian Sullivan, Tony Sutton, and Evie Axdahl are all free to do whatever they choose in the way of the presidential race.  Now if one of these people is using their power and influence then it is a completely different story.  When things go out for Romney it has Sullivan&#039;s title on the release.

Joe,

My sources are far better than you could ever guess.  You are joke in the DFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see the big deal here, we must have a fundamental disagreement here.  I believe that Ron Carey, as Brian Sullivan, Tony Sutton, and Evie Axdahl are all free to do whatever they choose in the way of the presidential race.  Now if one of these people is using their power and influence then it is a completely different story.  When things go out for Romney it has Sullivan&#8217;s title on the&nbsp;release.</p>
<p>Joe,</p>
<p>My sources are far better than you could ever guess.  You are joke in the&nbsp;DFL.</p>
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		<title>By: JAWNK1202</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/01/thank-you-lord-for-sending-me-ron-carey/#comment-11177</link>
		<dc:creator>JAWNK1202</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bites.  As a former MN-GOP staffer (who now lives out of state), the party chair should not be endorsing a candidate.  That&#039;s what our caucus/party convention system is for.  Delegates endorse, party supports.  Incumbents and candidates can certainly support whomever they want, but the party chairmanship is bigger than individuals.  This was a mistake on Ron Carey&#039;s part, and he  should say so.

And for what little it&#039;s worth, I&#039;m actually a Huckabee supporter, so it&#039;s not even about WHO Carey chose - it&#039;s about THAT he chose.

One small, slightly now off topic, correction DJZ: &quot;This post did inform me that Sullivan is supporting Romney. One rich kid who got richer on daddy&#039;s money supporting another. Big shock.&quot;

Actually, yeah, Sullivan comes from money, but he has earned all his coin (all the mounds of it) on his own. Daddy didn&#039;t have that much to do with it.

I figure if I, as a GOP-er, have to be intellectually honest, everyone else needs to be, too...  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bites.  As a former MN-GOP staffer (who now lives out of state), the party chair should not be endorsing a candidate.  That&#8217;s what our caucus/party convention system is for.  Delegates endorse, party supports.  Incumbents and candidates can certainly support whomever they want, but the party chairmanship is bigger than individuals.  This was a mistake on Ron Carey&#8217;s part, and he  should say&nbsp;so.</p>
<p>And for what little it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;m actually a Huckabee supporter, so it&#8217;s not even about WHO Carey chose - it&#8217;s about THAT he&nbsp;chose.</p>
<p>One small, slightly now off topic, correction DJZ: &#8220;This post did inform me that Sullivan is supporting Romney. One rich kid who got richer on daddy&#8217;s money supporting another. Big&nbsp;shock.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, yeah, Sullivan comes from money, but he has earned all his coin (all the mounds of it) on his own. Daddy didn&#8217;t have that much to do with&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>I figure if I, as a GOP-er, have to be intellectually honest, everyone else needs to be, too&#8230;  <img src='http://mnpublius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DJZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gopgirl, I&#039;ve got to wade through my crush on you and agree with Sean on this one, and I like the Huckster.

Huckiepoo may be a fundy who rejects science and news but, he actually gives a damn about poor people which is a lot more than the others could try to say. Plus he drives Andy Aprilowski crazier, that&#039;s worth seeing him prevail in some of these primaries alone.

Carey is paid to do a job that carries a 24 hour a day title. When Hucks list him as Chair of his MN Campaign, it will no doubt say MNGOP Chair Ron Carey. Not, Ronald F. Carey.

Pawlenty gets along with Carey like Hillary and Bill did in late 1998, they have to or they both could loose everything political. You&#039;re involved and know some of those staffers and you know the deal that relationship. Repya was so damn awful, those two had to come together or the party&#039;s Exec Director would have been AAA.

This post did inform me that Sullivan is supporting Romney. One rich kid who got richer on daddy&#039;s money supporting another. Big shock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gopgirl, I&#8217;ve got to wade through my crush on you and agree with Sean on this one, and I like the&nbsp;Huckster.</p>
<p>Huckiepoo may be a fundy who rejects science and news but, he actually gives a damn about poor people which is a lot more than the others could try to say. Plus he drives Andy Aprilowski crazier, that&#8217;s worth seeing him prevail in some of these primaries&nbsp;alone.</p>
<p>Carey is paid to do a job that carries a 24 hour a day title. When Hucks list him as Chair of his MN Campaign, it will no doubt say MNGOP Chair Ron Carey. Not, Ronald F.&nbsp;Carey.</p>
<p>Pawlenty gets along with Carey like Hillary and Bill did in late 1998, they have to or they both could loose everything political. You&#8217;re involved and know some of those staffers and you know the deal that relationship. Repya was so damn awful, those two had to come together or the party&#8217;s Exec Director would have been&nbsp;AAA.</p>
<p>This post did inform me that Sullivan is supporting Romney. One rich kid who got richer on daddy&#8217;s money supporting another. Big&nbsp;shock.</p>
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		<title>By: loveit</title>
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		<dc:creator>loveit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carey has done nothing but hurt the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carey has done nothing but hurt the&nbsp;GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Carey continues his forward progress in making the state Republican party smaller, not larger.

I can hear the big checkbooks all around Lake Minnetonka slamming shut.

Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Carey continues his forward progress in making the state Republican party smaller, not&nbsp;larger.</p>
<p>I can hear the big checkbooks all around Lake Minnetonka slamming&nbsp;shut.</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/01/thank-you-lord-for-sending-me-ron-carey/#comment-11162</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;... he is the state party chair and he can do whatever he wants as an activist that can be separate from his party chair responsibilities.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is one of the sillier things I&#039;ve heard out of a grown ups mouth.  Ron Carey isn&#039;t &#039;an activist&#039; he &lt;b&gt;the activist&lt;/b&gt; for the Republican party in the state of Minnesota.

As the Chair of the Party he is charged with representing the Party-- all of it&#039;s activists, all of it&#039;s donors, all of it&#039;s voters.  He doesn&#039;t get to be Joe Blow supporting Mike Huckabee because it&#039;s his &lt;b&gt;professional&lt;/b&gt; responsibility to be the activist for all those folks-- it&#039;s his responsibility to be their leader.

There is no off and on switch for him.  He can&#039;t be &quot;Ron Carey Chair of the IR&quot; at 4:59 and &quot;Ron Carey, humble chairman of the Choirboys for Huckabee, Minnesota Chapter&quot; at 5:01.

&quot;This sort of thing happens every four years, people within the same party disagree on what other people are doing in the presidential race, it comes with the territory of politics.&quot;

Actually it doesn&#039;t GOPGal-- when you read the news coverage of this, you&#039;ll actually read things like...

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;
In what may be a historic first&lt;/b&gt; in Minnesota politics, state Republican Party Chairman Ron Carey today endorsed Mike Huckabee for president and announced he would serve as honorary chairman for the former Arkansas governor&#039;s fledgling campaign in Minnesota.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_7904700?nclick_check=1

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;In an unusual move, Ron Carey announced his personal
 endorsement.&lt;/b&gt;
Brian Sullivan, a businessman and Republican National Committee member who is supporting Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Traditionally, the chairman doesn&#039;t endorse particular candidates because his job as head of the party is to help all Republicans win and essentially not introduce a bias for one candidate over another,&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Sullivan said.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;It&#039;s hard to disassociate what he wants to do personally from what his official capacity is,&quot; Sullivan said. &quot;I don&#039;t think that that&#039;s possible.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/13508721.html

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The move is unusual...&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2008/01/state_gop_chair.shtml?rsssource=1

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s unusual for the leading party official to take sides during a hotly contested nomination battle.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
http://wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=7589506

Now I know I&#039;m going to sound like some college-edjumacated-elitist-liberal-goober but all of those things mean &quot;this ain&#039;t never happened before, and if it did, it was a stupid idea all those times too...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230; he is the state party chair and he can do whatever he wants as an activist that can be separate from his party chair&nbsp;responsibilities.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is one of the sillier things I&#8217;ve heard out of a grown ups mouth.  Ron Carey isn&#8217;t &#8216;an activist&#8217; he <b>the activist</b> for the Republican party in the state of&nbsp;Minnesota.</p>
<p>As the Chair of the Party he is charged with representing the Party&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;all of it&#8217;s activists, all of it&#8217;s donors, all of it&#8217;s voters.  He doesn&#8217;t get to be Joe Blow supporting Mike Huckabee because it&#8217;s his <b>professional</b> responsibility to be the activist for all those folks&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;it&#8217;s his responsibility to be their&nbsp;leader.</p>
<p>There is no off and on switch for him.  He can&#8217;t be &#8220;Ron Carey Chair of the IR&#8221; at 4:59 and &#8220;Ron Carey, humble chairman of the Choirboys for Huckabee, Minnesota Chapter&#8221; at&nbsp;5:01.</p>
<p>&#8220;This sort of thing happens every four years, people within the same party disagree on what other people are doing in the presidential race, it comes with the territory of&nbsp;politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually it doesn&#8217;t GOPGal&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;when you read the news coverage of this, you&#8217;ll actually read things&nbsp;like&#8230;</p>
<p><i><b><br />
In what may be a historic first</b> in Minnesota politics, state Republican Party Chairman Ron Carey today endorsed Mike Huckabee for president and announced he would serve as honorary chairman for the former Arkansas governor&#8217;s fledgling campaign in&nbsp;Minnesota.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_7904700?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_7904700?nclick_check=1</a></p>
<p><i><b>In an unusual move, Ron Carey announced his personal<br />
 endorsement.</b><br />
Brian Sullivan, a businessman and Republican National Committee member who is supporting Massachusetts Gov. Mitt&nbsp;Romney.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Traditionally, the chairman doesn&#8217;t endorse particular candidates because his job as head of the party is to help all Republicans win and essentially not introduce a bias for one candidate over another,&#8221;</b> Sullivan&nbsp;said.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;It&#8217;s hard to disassociate what he wants to do personally from what his official capacity is,&#8221; Sullivan said. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think that that&#8217;s possible.&#8221;</b></i><br />&nbsp;<a href="http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/13508721.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/13508721.html</a></p>
<p><b><i>&#8220;The move is unusual&#8230;&#8221;</i></b><br />&nbsp;<a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2008/01/state_gop_chair.shtml?rsssource=1" rel="nofollow">http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2008/01/state_gop_chair.shtml?rsssource=1</a></p>
<p><b><i>It&#8217;s unusual for the leading party official to take sides during a hotly contested nomination battle.</i></b><br />&nbsp;<a href="http://wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=7589506" rel="nofollow">http://wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=7589506</a></p>
<p>Now I know I&#8217;m going to sound like some college-edjumacated-elitist-liberal-goober but all of those things mean &#8220;this ain&#8217;t never happened before, and if it did, it was a stupid idea all those times&nbsp;too&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bodell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Bodell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure your sources are solid, gopgal.  Then again, at least I&#039;m not hiding behind a pseudonym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure your sources are solid, gopgal.  Then again, at least I&#8217;m not hiding behind a&nbsp;pseudonym.</p>
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		<title>By: Caucus Goer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caucus Goer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bwaaaa-haaaa-haaa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bwaaaa-haaaa-haaa!</p>
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