In this morning’s Hibbing Daily Tribune Norm Coleman’s hack says:
“Tom Erickson, a spokesman for Coleman’s Senate campaign, called Franken’s attacks “distractions from his own flawed policies of tax increases, government-run health care and support for the anti-mining Sierra Club, whose endorsement Franken hopes to receive at a time when the Sierra Club is opposing four new mining projects” on the Iron Range.”
First of all, when is discussing the record of an incumbent a ‘distraction’? And secondly, when asked about the veracity of Erickson’s comment the Franken Camp had this to say.
Al does not advocate for “tax increases.”
Al’s health care plan does not involve the government “running” health care.
Al has never sought the endorsement of the Sierra Club and opposes the Sierra Club’s position on Iron Range mining.
I’m curious if we can count on Norm’s campaign making stuff up for the rest of this election. Let me think about it… hmmm… hmm… Yeah. Yeah we can.
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Sean: Franken does advocate tax increases:
“And I think certainly in this state we need to increase the gas tax. We haven’t had an increase in the gas tax in 20 years. And I’m in favor of at least a five to ten cent tax increase, and the fluctuation of gas prices is that everyday anyway. I don’t think people would notice it so much.” Source: Al Franken, Twin West Chamber Debate, October 5, 2007
It’s funny that Sean put forth three lies and you responded with a defense for only one of those lies.
Matt, Al Franken has advocated for tax increases - the record is clear. You might want to fact check statements from Team Franken before you post them. Your post wasn’t the brightest move.
I’m curious if we can count on Franken’s campaign making stuff up for the rest of this election. Let me think about it… hmmm… hmm… Yeah. Yeah we can. (HT, Sean Broom)
It was my post for starters.
Secondly, you post stuff from the Coleman campaign couched in BS like “A dedicated reader of MDE…” blah blah blah, I gave the Franken campaign an opportunity to respond to the attacks leveled against them, didn’t try to say it was anything else, and as Matt said the Franken camp said three things and your response was a marginally effective knock against one of those three. Sean
Matt, I got to tell you that Brodkorb’s got you here. Franken got caught in a lie on taxes, and if you do some checking, it looks like Franken is lying about the Sierra club too.
Just how incredibly stupid is Al Franken? Or maybe the question is how stupid is Andy Barr? Its like all of Franken’s lies about when he turned against the war. You can’t just one thing when there is a record of you saying something else.
So you’re saying that the Coleman campaign through Tom Erickson lied only 2 times, not 3? Thanks for the clarification Michael.
And your only defense to one of the three lies is that Franken expressed support for a state tax that he would have no power over as a US Senator? Has he expressed support for increases in federal taxes?; you know, the ones he would have power over.
Matt:
I’m responding to your post which included a statement from Team Franken - a statement which includes complete lies. Al Franken has advocated for tax increases.
It’s clear that you and Sean are upset with the statement provided by Team Franken. My suggestion is that in the future, you respectfully ask Team Franken to be honest.
But just so we’re clear, you’re not going to defend Tom Erickson’s other 2 lies, right?
“It’s clear that you and Sean are upset with the statement provided by Team Franken.”
Like OMG! You can read my mind? Do you have any other super powers I should know of Mike?
So here’s one for you, who should I support this weekend in the Super Bowl — I really don’t like the Giants, but I don’t care for the Patriots either, and since you seem to have unfettered access to my heart and head I’m sure that you help guide me Mike.
Or you can stop making stuff up, too.
And, you aren’t going to deny or refute my other comment:
“Secondly, you post stuff from the Coleman campaign couched in BS like “A dedicated reader of MDE…” blah blah blah,”
‘Cause if not that may be the most honest thing you’ve done in like… well… ever! Sean
Little mikey is seeing his world crumble around him and like any petulant, spoiled child, he’s lashing out. Once the Obama train get’s rolling, Coleman will fold like a cheap lawnchair. He won’t be able to keep up and so his only campaign tactic will be why we shouldn’t vote for Franken. I’ve yet to see anyone telling me why I should vote for Coleman. Meanwhile, I met Al, in the living room of my state senator and he is a very sensible, well behaved gentleman with well considered, well thought out positions on the important issues. I’ve seen nothing, or heard nothing from norm as to why I should vote for him.
Franken is so bad he will probably take down the Democratic presidential candidate here too.
Matt: So you’re not going to defend Team Franken’s lies? I believe Representative Dill when he said that Al Franken told him that Franken hoped to seek the Sierra Club’s endorsement:
“‘I didn’t get the same feeling from Mr. Franken, who I specifically asked if he would seek the endorsement of the Sierra Club. He said he hoped to (seek it). I got quite a different answer from Mr. Ciresi.’” Source: Mesabi Daily News, January 8, 2008
You don’t believe Representative Dill? Team Franken has already provided you with a false statement, but you still think they are telling you the truth?
Come on Matt, you’re clearly upset at Team Franken for providing your blog with a false statement. Do yourself a favor and get Team Franken to correct their false statement.
Mike — the Franken Camp said:
“Al has never sought the endorsement of the Sierra Club and opposes the Sierra Club’s position on Iron Range mining.”
Can you prove that statement to be false? Sean
Sean:
I believe Representative Dill. Are you and Team Franken calling Representative Dill a liar?
This post will go over great on the Iron Range.
New campaign slogan:
Al Franken - you can’t prove that he’s a liar.
No, Team Franken had a clear factual statement.
“Al has never sought the endorsement of the Sierra Club and opposes the Sierra Club’s position on Iron Range mining.”
Can you prove that Al Franken has sought the endorsement of the Sierra Club.
BTW — thanks for the implicit admission that all you post is what the Coleman campaign sends you (and of course you would, how else could you count on a job from them!) and really, since you know what is going on in my heart and in my head, I’d like some direction on my Super Bowl pick. Sean
Sean:
I believe Representative Dill. Are you and Team Franken calling Representative Dill a liar?
It’s a simple question Michael — can you prove that Al Franken has sought the Sierra Club endorsement. If so, lay it out there buddy, if not admit it (although, really, I wouldn’t expect you to ever admit when you’re wrong). Sean
Richard,
You said Franken was a gentleman. Does that mean he didn’t call anyone names or throw any punches?
Sean:
Team Franken has a problem with the truth. I chose to believe Representative Dill rather than a campaign who has already lied in their response.
So, I’ll take that as “No, Sean, I can’t prove that Al Franken has ever sought the endorsement of the Sierra Club.”
So boys and girls as a recap of the things you learned today:
1. Al Franken’s campaign said three things. Mike Brodkorb quibbles with one, maybe two of these, but not really and when pressed to prove it, he resorts to a silly ass game of “Are you calling Rep. Dill a liar?”
2. Michael Brodkorb can read your mind!
3. When reading MDE and you see some insipid crap like “This was sent to me by a dedicated reader of MDE” it means that it was sent to him by the Coleman camp.
Stay tuned as we continue to decode what it means to be MDE! Sean
It’s a simple question Michael– can you prove that Al Franken has sought the Sierra Club endorsement. If so, lay it out there buddy, if not admit it (although, really, I wouldn’t expect you to ever admit when you’re wrong).
little mikey can’t so he’ll go and pout someplace. Meanwhile can anyone please give me a reason to vote for the Corporate Norm? If not, I’m casting my vote for Franken on Tuesday.
Richard, if you cast a vote for Franken on Tuesday, you are effectively casting a vote for Corporate Norm this fall.
I going to sit and quietly savor Brodkerb accusing anyone else of having a problem with the truth. And heh, there doing it for free.
Michael now, well, there is a word for the class of person who’ll do anything you want for money.
If you guys want to get in a fight over semantics, Coleman’s camp never said Franken was seeking the endorsement of the Sierra Club, just that he was hoping to seek it, which is exactly what Dill said. Good to see that Franken’s reaching out to the Range by calling one of their lawmakers a “liar.” Franken, after not living in Minnesota most of his life, probably doesn’t know that Rangers hold grudges like nobody’s business. Can’t wait to see how this plays out leading up to caucuses.
GOPerGal, thank you for proving a lie, from Team Smokescreen.
How are Angry Al’s poll numbers looking? Norms are looking pretty good - fitting for the great job he is doing leading in the Senate.
Sean - please move your lips so Al can wipe himself.
Why are BRODKORB’s posts always a waste of oxygen?
The picture is creepy! I’ll give ya that.
Coleman still has my vote.
Why?
Every time little mikey posts here, I feel a compulsion to drop in on MDE and look to see what the reality challenged community is up to. I ran across this little gem:
Those stupid bastards on the iron range will vote for any Democrat… and then sit around bitching because the companies that employed their union asses leave the state, after the liberal turds make it more difficult to do business here.
There ya go little mikey. There’s your people. How’s that for political discourse.
That goes to show, Richard, what MDE has resorted to…posters who are rude, crude, and not very well read.
At least here at MN PUBLIUS, posters are civil, use verbal constraint, and KNOW HOW TO READ!!!
If only the DFL would nominate a real candidate, we would crush Norm Coleman. Unfortunately we are going to nominate assclown Al Franken who will piss away our chances. Look at this thread - any criticism of Coleman you can turn around and throw at Franken. You can’t get Coleman for changing positions, because Franken is worse. You can’t get Coleman on the war, because Franken’s position (until recently) has been the same as Coleman’s. You can’t attack Coleman’s character because Franken has a history of bad behavior, a lot of which is on video.
I’m just shouting into the wind, though. You’ll all be sorry when Franken is getting crushed in November and he is dragging Obama or Clinton down with him.
Kathy,
“At least here at MN PUBLIUS, posters are civil, use verbal constraint, and KNOW HOW TO READ!!!”
Tell that to Nitro.
P.S.
And TypicalRightWing.
Say, Chris?
Since little stones isn’t posting here, you probably won’t see TypicalRightWingNut, either.
Unless he’s makin’ fun o’ you….
…and TwoPutTommy.
Couple of observations:
A) MDE mows through a leftist comment thread like a weed wacker through springtime grass.
B) One can almost smell the desperation of Angry Al’s cheerleading squad as Matt and Sean try and parse their way out of yet another blunder. Someday, we might get two lefty’s to agree on the meaning of “is”, but the odds are against it.
C) Angry Al & Co. give new life to the old saw “How can you tell if a leftist is lying?” “His lips are moving”. It’s all well and good to have a couple of terrified underlings blowing smoke on a blog, but out in the streets people will see Al’s lies and spittle flecked hatred for what they are: A mirror into the soul of a very confused man who blames the world for his own failings.
“Someday, we might get two lefty’s to agree on the meaning of “is”, but the odds are against it.”
Someday, Eden Prairie Mayor Phil Young, R=republiCon, might tell the voters what his definition of “help” is. But, odds are against that, too.
What kind of help are you needing now, little guy? You want Young to come hold your hand and wipe the tears from your little face?
It’s hard to always know what “help” a Democrat needs from someone else to drag their needy asses through another day, but I’ll see what I can do.
It’s Mayor Maybe that needs “help”, pal. He needs “help” seperatin’ fact from fiction. He tends to err on the fiction side, which is why he’s Mayor Maybe, R=republiCon.
Which also means he’s your kind of guy.
I’ve got a call into the mayor’s “Weepy Moonbat Emergency Help Line” 2Pud, but there is a lot of needy goofballs ahead of you…be patient.
Here’s a little something to make you feel a little better in the meantime:
If you’re not a member o’ the taxnuts, you’ll be waitin’ a long time, NotSoSwiftly.