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	<title>Comments on: COLEMAN SUPPORTERS DEFRAUD LOCAL PAPERS WITH CAMPAIGN DISTRIBUTED MATERIALS</title>
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		<title>By: Edward Davies</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/coleman-supporters-defraud-local-papers-with-campaign-distributed-materials/#comment-44143</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very disappointed with the comments here.

There is no &quot;gray&quot; in this issue -- how black and white does something have to be before we call a spade a spade?

There is absolutely no question bere.  This is complete and total dishonesty on the part of the students (for misrepresenting a writing by someone else as their own).  If that&#039;s not &quot;black and white&quot; dishonesty, what is?  Hey people; look up the definition of &quot;plagiarism&quot;!  Now, look up the definition of &quot;fraud&quot;.  What these students did is patently dishonest, it&#039;s the literal definition of fraud, and I cannot believe anyone (ANYONE!) is defending them.

At a real university, when a student -- in a University-related capacity (like submitting a fraudulent letter to the University newspaper) -- commits plagiarism, he/she is disciplined and/or expelled.    

Secondly, the Coleman campaign authored letters for others to misrepresent to newspapers as their own.  This was not &quot;some sort of mistake,&quot; and these were not &quot;press releases&quot; -- these were letters intentionally written by the Coleman campaign for others to submit to their local papers.  That&#039;s not illegal, but it&#039;s certainly dishonest, fraudulent and thoroughly corrupt.  

But, here&#039;s an interesting question for ya&#039;: has the Franken campaign been accused of doing anything like this -- writing letters to editors for other people?  Did any supporters of Al Franken ever innocently represent an Al Franken &quot;press release&quot; to a newspaper as their own piece of writing -- as their own opinions, insights and feelings?  No, of course not.  

That&#039;s not a coincidence; it&#039;s the fundamental difference between Coleman and Franken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very disappointed with the comments&nbsp;here.</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;gray&#8221; in this issue&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;how black and white does something have to be before we call a spade a&nbsp;spade?</p>
<p>There is absolutely no question bere.  This is complete and total dishonesty on the part of the students (for misrepresenting a writing by someone else as their own).  If that&#8217;s not &#8220;black and white&#8221; dishonesty, what is?  Hey people; look up the definition of &#8220;plagiarism&#8221;!  Now, look up the definition of &#8220;fraud&#8221;.  What these students did is patently dishonest, it&#8217;s the literal definition of fraud, and I cannot believe anyone (ANYONE!) is defending&nbsp;them.</p>
<p>At a real university, when a student&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;in a University-related capacity (like submitting a fraudulent letter to the University newspaper)&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;commits plagiarism, he/she is disciplined and/or&nbsp;expelled.    </p>
<p>Secondly, the Coleman campaign authored letters for others to misrepresent to newspapers as their own.  This was not &#8220;some sort of mistake,&#8221; and these were not &#8220;press releases&#8221;&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;these were letters intentionally written by the Coleman campaign for others to submit to their local papers.  That&#8217;s not illegal, but it&#8217;s certainly dishonest, fraudulent and thoroughly&nbsp;corrupt.  </p>
<p>But, here&#8217;s an interesting question for ya&#8217;: has the Franken campaign been accused of doing anything like this&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;writing letters to editors for other people?  Did any supporters of Al Franken ever innocently represent an Al Franken &#8220;press release&#8221; to a newspaper as their own piece of writing&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;as their own opinions, insights and feelings?  No, of course&nbsp;not.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a coincidence; it&#8217;s the fundamental difference between Coleman and&nbsp;Franken.</p>
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		<title>By: Mockingbird</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/coleman-supporters-defraud-local-papers-with-campaign-distributed-materials/#comment-13794</link>
		<dc:creator>Mockingbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;non-story&quot; when a lie gets disseminated?
You have a different standard.

This nonsense was apparently also in CJ&#039;s strip GOSSIP column?
What a load of crap - a mini-Swiftboat by Coleman staffers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;non-story&#8221; when a lie gets disseminated?<br />
You have a different&nbsp;standard.</p>
<p>This nonsense was apparently also in CJ&#8217;s strip GOSSIP column?<br />
What a load of crap - a mini-Swiftboat by Coleman&nbsp;staffers!</p>
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		<title>By: Derek R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I despise and distrust Norm Coleman as much as the next guy, but this is a non-story.  Everyone else does this.  The Coleman campaign was simply sloppy and got some attention out of it.  They should be embarrassed because they were a little sloppy, but it&#039;s not like this will make any hay.  Voters won&#039;t care because it is insignificant.

It&#039;s called being petty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I despise and distrust Norm Coleman as much as the next guy, but this is a non-story.  Everyone else does this.  The Coleman campaign was simply sloppy and got some attention out of it.  They should be embarrassed because they were a little sloppy, but it&#8217;s not like this will make any hay.  Voters won&#8217;t care because it is&nbsp;insignificant.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called being&nbsp;petty.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Bowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I thought &#039;Gary&#039; Coleman was a little man !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought &#8216;Gary&#8217; Coleman was a little man&nbsp;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman LTE Story Picked up by AP at MNpublius.com</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/coleman-supporters-defraud-local-papers-with-campaign-distributed-materials/#comment-13801</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman LTE Story Picked up by AP at MNpublius.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it seems our little story yesterday about two identical anti-Franken letters to the editor showing up in two local papers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] it seems our little story yesterday about two identical anti-Franken letters to the editor showing up in two local papers&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: jharp</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/coleman-supporters-defraud-local-papers-with-campaign-distributed-materials/#comment-13802</link>
		<dc:creator>jharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max,

The Star Tribune article is fiction.  Funny thing, Mr. Galloway was never charged nor brought back to testify to the Senate.

I think you have him confused with Condoleeza Rice&#039;s company, Chevron.

Who openly admitted to kickbacks in the oil for food and paid a $25 million dollar fine.

What was Galloway&#039;s fine?  I don&#039;t recall seeing anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>The Star Tribune article is fiction.  Funny thing, Mr. Galloway was never charged nor brought back to testify to the&nbsp;Senate.</p>
<p>I think you have him confused with Condoleeza Rice&#8217;s company,&nbsp;Chevron.</p>
<p>Who openly admitted to kickbacks in the oil for food and paid a $25 million dollar&nbsp;fine.</p>
<p>What was Galloway&#8217;s fine?  I don&#8217;t recall seeing anything about&nbsp;it.</p>
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		<title>By: purpleOnion</title>
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		<dc:creator>purpleOnion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;INTENT TO DEFRAUD - the specific intent to deceive or cheat, ordinarily for the purpose of causing some financial loss to another, or bringing about some financial gain to one&#039;s self. It is not necessary, however, to prove that the United States or anyone else was in fact defrauded so long as it is established that the person acted &quot;with intent to defraud.&quot; - Online Law Dictionary

In this case the two students deceived the two newpapers with form letter editorials, and they sought to deceive readers. There were no disclaimers that the students distributed the letters to give the impression of being witnesses to extremely rude behavior, although one writer admitted to his republican affiliation.

When did Americans decide that it was fine for their proposed representatives to be disrespectful and dishonest with them? Who decided that we would tolerate cheating in competition regardless of the profession chosen?

Wouldn&#039;t it be hilarious if one&#039;s doctor held the same attitude? What would one think of plumber who was so indifferent to his customers that he arranged the pipes so that every time one flushed the toilet it backed up into the bathtub? What would one think of an air-conditioning service person who discovered the only thing wrong with the customer&#039;s unit was that the breaker interrupted the unit on the first seasonal start. The serviceman threw the breaker two minutes after he arrived and &quot;acted&quot; as if he worked on the unit for twenty-eight more minutes and then handed the customer a bill for $150.00. Thirty minutes a/c service? time for $150.00 is hilarious. After all, the world is filled with liars so only suckers believe what they hear and read, right?

From the conservative perspective it is the victim&#039;s fault for being a sucker in a capitalist society. They derive great pleasure from such a thought and it serves as a ready excuse for a plethora of malfeasances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;INTENT TO DEFRAUD - the specific intent to deceive or cheat, ordinarily for the purpose of causing some financial loss to another, or bringing about some financial gain to one&#8217;s self. It is not necessary, however, to prove that the United States or anyone else was in fact defrauded so long as it is established that the person acted &#8220;with intent to defraud.&#8221; - Online Law&nbsp;Dictionary</p>
<p>In this case the two students deceived the two newpapers with form letter editorials, and they sought to deceive readers. There were no disclaimers that the students distributed the letters to give the impression of being witnesses to extremely rude behavior, although one writer admitted to his republican&nbsp;affiliation.</p>
<p>When did Americans decide that it was fine for their proposed representatives to be disrespectful and dishonest with them? Who decided that we would tolerate cheating in competition regardless of the profession&nbsp;chosen?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be hilarious if one&#8217;s doctor held the same attitude? What would one think of plumber who was so indifferent to his customers that he arranged the pipes so that every time one flushed the toilet it backed up into the bathtub? What would one think of an air-conditioning service person who discovered the only thing wrong with the customer&#8217;s unit was that the breaker interrupted the unit on the first seasonal start. The serviceman threw the breaker two minutes after he arrived and &#8220;acted&#8221; as if he worked on the unit for twenty-eight more minutes and then handed the customer a bill for $150.00. Thirty minutes a/c service? time for $150.00 is hilarious. After all, the world is filled with liars so only suckers believe what they hear and read,&nbsp;right?</p>
<p>From the conservative perspective it is the victim&#8217;s fault for being a sucker in a capitalist society. They derive great pleasure from such a thought and it serves as a ready excuse for a plethora of&nbsp;malfeasances.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Abdul-Rahman Magba-Kamara&quot; Hmmmmm...

When is Tim Russert going to demand that Obama apologize for HIS astroturfing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Abdul-Rahman Magba-Kamara&#8221;&nbsp;Hmmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>When is Tim Russert going to demand that Obama apologize for HIS&nbsp;astroturfing?</p>
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		<title>By: SeanH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brodkorb&#039;s post on this thread is even funnier now seeing that Normy has apologized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brodkorb&#8217;s post on this thread is even funnier now seeing that Normy has&nbsp;apologized.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No real surprise. I remember the College Republicans from my undergraduate days at the U, and most of them were too stupid to write a 10 paragraph letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No real surprise. I remember the College Republicans from my undergraduate days at the U, and most of them were too stupid to write a 10 paragraph&nbsp;letter.</p>
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