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	<title>Comments on: SEIU Endorses Franken **Updated**</title>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13628</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to correct a mistake I made earlier.  I left the impression in an earlier comment that Javier Morillo was the driving force behind Al Franken getting the SEIU endorsement.  I have it on good authority that my impression was false.  That particular blame lies entirely elsewhere in SEIU.  My apologies to Javier.

On the other hand, I also found out that Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer was walking the picket line yesterday with the striking security workers.  Just as Jack had earlier been in solidarity with the striking university clerical workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to correct a mistake I made earlier.  I left the impression in an earlier comment that Javier Morillo was the driving force behind Al Franken getting the SEIU endorsement.  I have it on good authority that my impression was false.  That particular blame lies entirely elsewhere in SEIU.  My apologies to&nbsp;Javier.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I also found out that Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer was walking the picket line yesterday with the striking security workers.  Just as Jack had earlier been in solidarity with the striking university clerical&nbsp;workers.</p>
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		<title>By: amuseinc</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13611</link>
		<dc:creator>amuseinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have got to be a complete political idiot to think that Minnesota has not already seen the Al Franken Film Festival. Hell, we were proud of the St. Louis Park boy who was on Saturday Night Live. Now we are proud of his bringing the funny to politics. It is DFL morons who lost every election they even try at because they put a stiff like Cerisi or Hatch or any of the other stand in line for your office politicians.


Minnesotans are not policy wonks who even know who runs the party... they&#039;ll vote for Al once all those photos of Norman sucking face with Bush get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have got to be a complete political idiot to think that Minnesota has not already seen the Al Franken Film Festival. Hell, we were proud of the St. Louis Park boy who was on Saturday Night Live. Now we are proud of his bringing the funny to politics. It is DFL morons who lost every election they even try at because they put a stiff like Cerisi or Hatch or any of the other stand in line for your office&nbsp;politicians.</p>
<p>Minnesotans are not policy wonks who even know who runs the party&#8230; they&#8217;ll vote for Al once all those photos of Norman sucking face with Bush get&nbsp;out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13610</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US Senators really have no patronage to distribute. Now, Governors on the other hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Senators really have no patronage to distribute. Now, Governors on the other&nbsp;hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Larson</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13613</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very sad to me that SEIU would endorse who they think is going to win over a better candidate who best represents their members (and all of our) interests. Ironically, it is Jack who can beat Norm Coleman not Al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very sad to me that SEIU would endorse who they think is going to win over a better candidate who best represents their members (and all of our) interests. Ironically, it is Jack who can beat Norm Coleman not&nbsp;Al.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13629</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the h#&amp;* is that post about? How very strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the h#&amp;* is that post about? How very&nbsp;strange.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyna Sluyter</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13612</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyna Sluyter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That assumes Franken can make it to the general. To start with, getting an endorsement for Franken would require mass arm twisting and probably no small amount of petty bribery (&quot;wanna be a senate staffer?&quot;). The repugs then start presenting their Al Franken film festival in 30 second spots several times a day- they&#039;ve got so much material they won&#039;t even have to wait until october. Noting Al&#039;s temper, they&#039;ll send out their hacks to bait him on the campaign trail with video cameras close by. It&#039;ll all come to a head when a week before the election Al drops out before the Central Committee throws him off the ballot. Try putting together a winning US Senate campaign in a week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That assumes Franken can make it to the general. To start with, getting an endorsement for Franken would require mass arm twisting and probably no small amount of petty bribery (&#8220;wanna be a senate staffer?&#8221;). The repugs then start presenting their Al Franken film festival in 30 second spots several times a day- they&#8217;ve got so much material they won&#8217;t even have to wait until october. Noting Al&#8217;s temper, they&#8217;ll send out their hacks to bait him on the campaign trail with video cameras close by. It&#8217;ll all come to a head when a week before the election Al drops out before the Central Committee throws him off the ballot. Try putting together a winning US Senate campaign in a&nbsp;week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: amuseinc</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator>amuseinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cerisis represents the old fashioned stand in line for office DFL. The DFL that has been getting its head handed to it in election after election in a state that should be as blue as the waters. Nelson-Pallmeyer is a part of the newer DFL of activists and serious Leftists and as such is a dangerous entity in the out-state or non-ultra-liberal parts of the state in the General Election. Both have serious presentation problems in media.

Cerisi&#039;s only claim to the Senator position is he ran a large law office... and he has been a DFL stalwart. Note enough steak and no sizzle there.

Nelson-Pallmeyer is a stalwart DFLer with impeccable liberal credentials plus as a policy wonk really understands the issues. But up against Coleman he will be handed his head on a platter. Too much steak and not enough sizzle.

That leaves us with Al Franken, small warts and all. A smart presentable candidate that can hand Coleman his head on a platter in the general. A leader people can get behind with the right amount of both steak and sizzle. All the whining on this thread is trumped by the fact that Franken can win in the general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cerisis represents the old fashioned stand in line for office DFL. The DFL that has been getting its head handed to it in election after election in a state that should be as blue as the waters. Nelson-Pallmeyer is a part of the newer DFL of activists and serious Leftists and as such is a dangerous entity in the out-state or non-ultra-liberal parts of the state in the General Election. Both have serious presentation problems in&nbsp;media.</p>
<p>Cerisi&#8217;s only claim to the Senator position is he ran a large law office&#8230; and he has been a DFL stalwart. Note enough steak and no sizzle&nbsp;there.</p>
<p>Nelson-Pallmeyer is a stalwart DFLer with impeccable liberal credentials plus as a policy wonk really understands the issues. But up against Coleman he will be handed his head on a platter. Too much steak and not enough&nbsp;sizzle.</p>
<p>That leaves us with Al Franken, small warts and all. A smart presentable candidate that can hand Coleman his head on a platter in the general. A leader people can get behind with the right amount of both steak and sizzle. All the whining on this thread is trumped by the fact that Franken can win in the&nbsp;general.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13630</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you are right, Mary.  Dyna and I have been trading anecdotes and speculations.  But I think &quot;degraded&quot; is a little harsh when you consider the previous conversations have been completely unfounded predictions that Franken is the anointed candidate merely because he has more money.  Please remember that Franken has also said publicly and quite often that he will abide by the endorsement.  He doesn&#039;t have that endorsement yet, of course, and Dyna and I have been trading stories about the endorsement process of delegate selection.  This may be unpersuasive, and it certainly is too early to be conclusive.  But it is more based in reality than mere hot-air bullying that &quot;Franken has it sewed up.&quot;  I see absolutely no evidence for that conclusion.  Do you?

But you want to talk about the meaning and power of the SEIU endorsement.  Forgive me if I respond with an SEIU anecdote.  Javier Morillo happened to be working the floor right near me during the 2006 Rochester convention.  I kept wondering why he was wearing a Mike Hatch T-shirt, since I considered Hatch the most likely candidate to betray union principles, as well as Hatch being a pretty autocratic and angry fellow.  During the ballots for governor, tremendous pressure was exerted by SEIU and the Carpenters Union to get solid backing for Hatch.

So how did that work out?  Hatch got the endorsement, of course.  Hatch got the nomination.  But it seems that Tim Pawlenty is our governor.  Mike Hatch lost it on the campaign trail by calling a reporter a whore.  And within weeks of taking office, Hatch&#039;s successor and protege had a scandal involving the appointment of her former boss as employee.  Then there was a front-page set-to involving allegations that Lori Swanson was doing union-busting in her own office.

Mary, I am a union member myself, and I have been for every single year of my 40 years teaching, whenever I worked where there was a union to join.  My union, Education Minnesota, has also made what I consider to be a very ill-considered endorsement of Al Franken.

Union endorsements could be a powerful and necessary balance to the corrupting power of money in our elections.  But that&#039;s not what&#039;s happening right now.  Unions seem to be following the same smarmy criteria as the most corrupt lobbyists: they merely sniff the wind to try to find a winner.  When they endorse a candidate that is weak on the issues that affect their members, they betray those members.  When they pick &quot;winners&quot; who lose, they just make themselves irrelevant.  In my opinion, both SEIU and Education Minnesota members deserve better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you are right, Mary.  Dyna and I have been trading anecdotes and speculations.  But I think &#8220;degraded&#8221; is a little harsh when you consider the previous conversations have been completely unfounded predictions that Franken is the anointed candidate merely because he has more money.  Please remember that Franken has also said publicly and quite often that he will abide by the endorsement.  He doesn&#8217;t have that endorsement yet, of course, and Dyna and I have been trading stories about the endorsement process of delegate selection.  This may be unpersuasive, and it certainly is too early to be conclusive.  But it is more based in reality than mere hot-air bullying that &#8220;Franken has it sewed up.&#8221;  I see absolutely no evidence for that conclusion.  Do&nbsp;you?</p>
<p>But you want to talk about the meaning and power of the SEIU endorsement.  Forgive me if I respond with an SEIU anecdote.  Javier Morillo happened to be working the floor right near me during the 2006 Rochester convention.  I kept wondering why he was wearing a Mike Hatch T-shirt, since I considered Hatch the most likely candidate to betray union principles, as well as Hatch being a pretty autocratic and angry fellow.  During the ballots for governor, tremendous pressure was exerted by SEIU and the Carpenters Union to get solid backing for&nbsp;Hatch.</p>
<p>So how did that work out?  Hatch got the endorsement, of course.  Hatch got the nomination.  But it seems that Tim Pawlenty is our governor.  Mike Hatch lost it on the campaign trail by calling a reporter a whore.  And within weeks of taking office, Hatch&#8217;s successor and protege had a scandal involving the appointment of her former boss as employee.  Then there was a front-page set-to involving allegations that Lori Swanson was doing union-busting in her own&nbsp;office.</p>
<p>Mary, I am a union member myself, and I have been for every single year of my 40 years teaching, whenever I worked where there was a union to join.  My union, Education Minnesota, has also made what I consider to be a very ill-considered endorsement of Al&nbsp;Franken.</p>
<p>Union endorsements could be a powerful and necessary balance to the corrupting power of money in our elections.  But that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s happening right now.  Unions seem to be following the same smarmy criteria as the most corrupt lobbyists: they merely sniff the wind to try to find a winner.  When they endorse a candidate that is weak on the issues that affect their members, they betray those members.  When they pick &#8220;winners&#8221; who lose, they just make themselves irrelevant.  In my opinion, both SEIU and Education Minnesota members deserve&nbsp;better.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13624</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation has degraded into another &quot;I think I know how many delegates everyone has&quot; conversation.  Anecdotal evidence is not persuasive--for every one story someone has another has one giving a completely different impression of the race.

What I want to know:  what do people think about this endorsement?  SEIU invited all candidates to &quot;walk a day&quot; and all of the candidates did so no campaign can complain that the process ignored one candidate in favor of another. What do people think about the endorsement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation has degraded into another &#8220;I think I know how many delegates everyone has&#8221; conversation.  Anecdotal evidence is not persuasive&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;for every one story someone has another has one giving a completely different impression of the&nbsp;race.</p>
<p>What I want to know:  what do people think about this endorsement?  SEIU invited all candidates to &#8220;walk a day&#8221; and all of the candidates did so no campaign can complain that the process ignored one candidate in favor of another. What do people think about the&nbsp;endorsement?</p>
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		<title>By: Dyna Sluyter</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/02/seiu-endorses-franken/#comment-13623</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyna Sluyter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Charley. To be honest, at the two conventions that we attended last weekend that subcaucussed Nelson-Pallmeyer did a little better than Ciresi. The other two that didn&#039;t subcaucus produced uncommitted delegates that certainly weren&#039;t favoring Franken. A couple of those uncommited delegates are definately leaning Ciresi, and I suspect Nelson-Pallmeyer has some support too.

It appears that Franken reached his high water mark around caucus day and it&#039;s all downhill now. At first glance I liked Franken, but the more I got to know him and his campaign the less affinity I had for them. I first volunteered for Franken and then applied for an internship. That got me a lot of unanswered e-mails and a two minute interview for the internship. From that experience I figured out that the Franken campaign doesn&#039;t want me or anyone of my democraphic- old, queer, and gimped up. So I studied the candidates and found Ciresi more matches my beliefs, though Nelson-Pallmeyer is a close second.

Like me, many DFLers have had more time to look over Franken and found him wanting- why should we support a candidate that bashes gays, supports nuclear power, and supported the invasion of Iraq just because he calls himself a democrat?

On the first ballot at the State convention Franken will be down to his base and he&#039;ll be lucky to get 40%. When either Ciresi or Nelson-Pallmeyer are dropped, their supporters will flock to the other. There&#039;s a very strong &quot;anyone but Franken&quot; movement out there, and Franken&#039;s only chance will be to hold on to 40% and block an endorsement. The Franken campaign has been running a primary campaign all along... For a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Charley. To be honest, at the two conventions that we attended last weekend that subcaucussed Nelson-Pallmeyer did a little better than Ciresi. The other two that didn&#8217;t subcaucus produced uncommitted delegates that certainly weren&#8217;t favoring Franken. A couple of those uncommited delegates are definately leaning Ciresi, and I suspect Nelson-Pallmeyer has some support&nbsp;too.</p>
<p>It appears that Franken reached his high water mark around caucus day and it&#8217;s all downhill now. At first glance I liked Franken, but the more I got to know him and his campaign the less affinity I had for them. I first volunteered for Franken and then applied for an internship. That got me a lot of unanswered e-mails and a two minute interview for the internship. From that experience I figured out that the Franken campaign doesn&#8217;t want me or anyone of my democraphic- old, queer, and gimped up. So I studied the candidates and found Ciresi more matches my beliefs, though Nelson-Pallmeyer is a close&nbsp;second.</p>
<p>Like me, many DFLers have had more time to look over Franken and found him wanting- why should we support a candidate that bashes gays, supports nuclear power, and supported the invasion of Iraq just because he calls himself a&nbsp;democrat?</p>
<p>On the first ballot at the State convention Franken will be down to his base and he&#8217;ll be lucky to get 40%. When either Ciresi or Nelson-Pallmeyer are dropped, their supporters will flock to the other. There&#8217;s a very strong &#8220;anyone but Franken&#8221; movement out there, and Franken&#8217;s only chance will be to hold on to 40% and block an endorsement. The Franken campaign has been running a primary campaign all along&#8230; For a&nbsp;reason.</p>
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