Comments on: ABM Releases New Poll Showing Franken Edging out Coleman

By: Walter Hanson

Walter Hanson — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:29:16 +0000

HCDFL:

I do go looking, but I keep missing all of these pro Democrat polls. The one I noticed is that survey USA has Coleman with the 10 point lead despite the fact that Franken has been running commericals and Coleman hasn’t seriously campaigned.

The one that shows the trend has been Coleman’s margin getting wider.

Why have public hearing when there are already three investigations taking place. Once the experts figure out what happened then they can be questioned in public by lawmakers who disagree. For example part of the problem with the 9-11 commission was that one of the members of the commission was a person who should have been on the witness stand and had her views seriously debated (Jamie Gorlick from the Clinton Justice Department). These investigations including the one run by the federal government are far better than any one run the Democrats. Who I forgot they paid for a fourth by a law firm that has clients who are suing the state about a bridge (Umh I wonder what they will try to claim)

Just why don’t you sign your entire paycheck to state and have it spent on a public hearing. I prefer the taxes be spent on roads and bridges instead.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

By: HCDFL

HCDFL — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:22:57 +0000

Walter;
Did you jump the fence?

If you average the last few polls taken (not including the Stan poll outlier) Al and Norm are almost tied at 48% to 46% and well within the margin of error of each other.

I bet Pawlenty’s numbers will drop well below 40% when Minnesotans see the pictures of the I35 bridge that show the U-10 plates were bent and bowed as far back as 2003.

Could that be part of the reason they don’t want to hold public hearings?

Thank goodness MNDOT shut down the bridge in St Cloud after noticing bent and bowed gusset plates.

By: walter Hanson

walter Hanson — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:42:26 +0000

Wow so you back unscientific polls to continue your dream that Franken has a change. Survey USA recently did a poll where only 26% of the people they polled were Republicans and Coleman defeated him by 10%. Furthermore using your caution of how this poll must have a little flaw if Amy K has just 50% approval because the question is worded differently. If a bunch of independent polls come up with far higher numbers (Bush for example breaks 30% in most polls and Pawlenty breaks 50% easily) maybe they didn’t poll a normal cross section.

I didn’t see a tab for party afflication. Maybe they were polling their own people. So instead do an in depth on the Survey USA poll where Coleman has that 10% lead taken at the same time.

Oh I forgot you must still be at that PARTEEEE to celebrate Obama’s eleven point win of the New Hampshire Primary.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

By: MRW

MRW — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:27:59 +0000

Over a decade ago, Jeff Greenfield, when he was still with ABC News, offered a truth rarely heard in media circles (and I’ll have to paraphrase, sorry): ‘we need to stop taking so many polls, stop reporting on so many polls, and stop believing so many polls’. In other words, let’s all take a breather here and wait until June at the earliest to start examining any polls at all. Even then, considering the sterling performance of polls too numerous to count during the presidential primaries (yes, that is sarcasm), we need to try and not base our conversations on the principle of “my poll can beat up your poll”.

By: John S

John S — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:40:38 +0000

More seriously, if we can discount ‘Kristen’ Brodkerb’s ramblings, there is an important question. Franken showed movement in good directions in the last independent poll that came out, on his positives/negatives, and his support.

So is the ABM poll just sloppy, hiding something, or just supposed to be a puff piece? (albeit one with some more solid grounding than Kristen’s predictions of a Kennedy victory in 06)

By: Mockingbird

Mockingbird — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:36:00 +0000

Why believe ANYTHING Brodkorb offers here?

By: amuseinc

amuseinc — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:26:17 +0000

Michael â€˜Kristenâ€™ Brodkerb shoukd investigate the rumors in Hollywood about norm and his wife… he would get some serious page views if it ever came out.

By: JoeQPollster

JoeQPollster — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:57:12 +0000

Where are the crosstabs? It would be very interesting to see what share of Dems, Repubs, Inds, and Conservs, Mods, Libs, each candidate wins. In any case, w/o crosstabs and a better explanation of methodology, there is no way the selected results of this poll can be evaluated. If anything, the Klobuchar approval ratings really betrays it as an oversample of Democratic voters sample.

And by the way, who is (are?) Grove Insight Opinion Research and Communication Strategy anyways? Looking over their website, the client list is not that impressive…

By: Dan

Dan — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:07:57 +0000

I hope that no one actually paid for that poll because its a worthless POS.

By: John S

John S — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:51:32 +0000

Michael-
First, let’s call you ‘Kristen’ so people don’t get confused. Most of us are in the know here. If accepting thousands of dollars a month from active campaigns means one can’t be listened to, where does that leave you? And before the weaseling begins, did_you or did_you_not accept several thousand dollars, either a month or in one time payments, from Kennedy campaign and from the Bachmann campaign in the last cycle?

On the other hand, Michael ‘Kristen’ Brodkerb here does have a point. Why release one candidates approves/disapproves and not the others?

By: Michael B. Brodkorb

Michael B. Brodkorb — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:37:43 +0000

This poll is from a Franken front group. I asked if they polled on Franken’s approval rating and they said they were not releasing that information. Franken’s approval rating must have really low if this group wouldn’t release it. I didn’t ask about Franken’s donations, nor was it disclosed in the conference call that Franken had given this group almost $10,000.

By: John S

John S — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:25:22 +0000

While I’m highly inclined to doubt that Pawlenty’s numbers are that low (Like Bill Clinton, he’s too good at telling people what they want to hear), outside of Rush-land Bush’s numbers have been very low for a very long while.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:19:13 +0000

Please. If you think this poll is even close to being accurate, you’re nuts. No poll has shown Pawlenty’s approval rating that low — not even close. No poll has even shown Bush’s approval rating to be that low. This is a fake poll done by a DFL pollster in attempt to get some positive news for Franken. Take your DFL glasses off and get real. Good grief.

By: Sean

Sean — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:55:10 +0000

They tried to rationalize the difference in Job Approval v Performance numbers as the difference between a popularity contest versus specific questions about how the respondents felt about the performance of the candidates.

I’m curious to see the questions, the gender and geographic breakdown and the party breakdown. Sean