SDs 32, 43, 46, 47 and 63 had their conventions today. The breakdown of today’s results is after the jump, along with all the updates that filled this space through the day. Now that the numbers are all in, here is the (numerical) state of the race as I see it. Overall, I’d say these numbers have a +/- 2 delegates in terms of a margin of error. I’ll also note that these delegates are not obligated to vote for the candidate that they were elected to represent.
Elected Delegates
Madia - 52.5
Bonoff - 31
Uncommitted - 3
Superdelegates
Madia - 2
Bonoff - 15
Uncommitted - 2
Total
Madia - 54.5
Bonoff - 46
Uncommitted - 5
Delegates Remaining: 53
95.5 delegates needed to win the endorsement (60%). It is almost impossible for either candidate to win enough delegates to win the endorsement on the first ballot (though, again, delegates could change their minds). The key questions then become: 1. Who has the most support on the first ballot? 2. Which way do the delegates move (even if its a small move) on the second ballot? Obviously, there is no way to answer the 2nd question ahead of time. To have a majority of the delegates on the first ballot, however, Madia would need to win all of the uncommitteds and 39% of the delegates next week. Bonoff would need all of the uncommitteds and 55%. Thats a tall order, but not impossible. More analysis tomorrow.
SD 32 - Corcoran/Maple Grove/Osseo
Total Attendees - appx 350
Bonoff - 4
Hovland - 0
Madia - 11.5
Uncommitted - 0
SD 43 - Minnetonka/Plymouth
Total Attendees - appx 585
Bonoff - 10
Hovland - 0
Madia - 8
Uncommitted - 1
SD 46 - Brooklyn Center/Brooklyn Park
Bonoff - 4
Hovland - 0
Madia - 10
Uncommitted - 0
SD 47 - Brooklyn Park/Champlin/Coon Rapids
Bonoff - 5
Hovland - 0
Madia - 11
Uncommitted - 0
SD 63 - Bloomington/Richfield
Bonoff - 1
Hovland - 0
Madia - 4
Uncommitted - 0
Totals (includes SD 42 results from last week)
Bonoff - 20
Hovland - 0
Madia - 44.5
Uncommitted - 3
Number of delegates required to win the endorsement - 95.5
UPDATE - For those of you who love inside baseball, AFSCME guru of gurus Jim Niland is working the floor for AFSCME endorsees Bonoff and Franken up in SD 46. Also, numbers should be coming from SD 32 in the near future.
UPDATE 2 - OK, this isn’t a CD 3 update, but there are over 900 people at SD 64’s convention in St. Paul. That’s a large turnout, even for St. Paul.
UPDATE 3 - Grace Baltich is now the DFL endorsed candidate to take on Joyce Peppin. Lee Carlson is now the DFL endorsed candidate to take on Kurt Zellers. SD 32 took a break for lunch. Sub-caucusing should begin shortly.
UPDATE 4 - Unofficial results/rumors: Bonoff gets a 60/40 split in 43. Madia up big in 32. Madia gets a 2 to 1 win in 46 (that’s per Joe Bodell)
UPDATE 5 - My numbers in 46 and 47 are preliminary and subject to change. The numbers in 32 are final.
UPDATE 6 - Michael reports that Ron Erhardt and Neil Peterson lost the Republican endorsement today. We’ll have more on this later, but the first question on my mind is: will Ron Erhardt run in the Republican primary or will he run as an independent?
UPDATE 7 - Numbers in 46 and 63 are confirmed by both campaigns and final. Numbers should be coming shortly in 43.
UPDATE 8 - Sill waiting for final confirmation of the SD 47 numbers (I am confirming everything with both campaigns before I say its final). Joe Bodell reports that there are at least 7 Madia delegates coming out of SD 43. That would be out of 19 total delegates. A 7 - 12 split (which looks to be the worst possible result for Madia at this point) would result in a 19.5 delegate lead (not including superdelegates) for Madia.
UPDATE 9 - The one uncommitted from 43 is still be elected as I write this, which means she/he could be in either
SD 32 Results
Bonoff - 1
Madia - 1
Hovland - 3
Ditka - 213,954
SD 43 Results
Bonoff - 2
Madia - 0
Hovland - 17
Ditka 295,877
I love it
I’ve heard Jim Niland compared to Karl Rove. How does Niland answer questions about Franken and his work comp insurance problems.
So let me get this straight:
For DFLers, a union endorsement is a good thing, unless it is the AFSCME and comes with this Niland guy (who I’ve never heard of). But some other unions are OK, some are relevant, some aren’t….
Confusing. I didn’t think the work of union support had so many shades of gray.
I’m not a DFLer. In DFL circles, I’d think an AFSCME endorsement would help. It is worth noting that Niland helped AFSCME support Mark Stenglein over DFLer Greg Gray for county commissioner. This particular endorsement made no sense. The word was that Stenglein had traded a County Board vote in return for AFSCME endorsement.
Franken has run the table on Union Endorsements, and it appears that Madia and Bonoff have split union endorsements. Niland is going to be more concerned about getting Bonoff through (to protect the worth of the AFSCME endorsement), than Franken - who is much more ahead.
“Niland is going to be more concerned about getting Bonoff through (to protect the worth of the AFSCME endorsement)”
OK, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.
As i stated yesterday watch out for Plymouth. There is going to be a whole lot of something going on. Because Bonoff could well be defeated at her own home district.
The word is that Madia has scored a shutout in SD 32. He’s up in 47, tied in 46. Any other info?
I know people at 43 and 63. Couldn’t chat long, but both were saying strong Bonoff but no shutouts.
And is the info on Madia’s shutout in SD 32 accurate. If so Madia will probably emerge with a 15 delegate or so lead today!
The person I spoke with at 63 said they had some buzz indicating 32 was not a Madia shutout. But nothing firm.
I would add that 63 sounded like we should have some firm numbers coming our way soon. They got an early start.
Wow, it looks like Ashwin will emerge with about a 15 delegate lead at least. Do you think Bonoff bows out?
Bonoff’s people feel very good about next week’s conventions.
They also felt good about this week’s conventions. This race seems over. There is no way that Bonoff can make up a 15 or so delegate deficit. There is no way she’ll do better in next week’s conventions than she did in her home district. So, even if they all go 60-40 for her, she’ll still be down going into the convention
Congratulations Captain Madia.
Remember the Bonoff crowd told us they had a “commanding lead” of delegates. If she can barely beat him in her own district its time for her to bow out.
Why should she bow out? Let it go to the convention. Heck, let it go to the primary if its close. Let the people speak.
Zack, do you have any reason to believe Bonoff would be stronger next week?
She may not have a choice Dan. You extrapolate the rest of the far suburban vote even for next week and it does not look good for her.
She will not get a hung convention. The supers will jump, because the margins are so huge.
Count that an almost 21 delegate lead.
I agree with RM. This race is over. Madia will not even need the superdelegates. He’ll have well over 50% just on elected delegates, even if she wins every other convention next week — which she won’t.
I’d love to hear from a Bonoff supporter whether she will concede graciously, recognize Madia kicked her ass, or whether she will continue to tilt at windmills and continue.
Maybe the people should get a chance to speak. The fact of the matter is the Hovland would either be 1st or a close 2nd if this was a primary. I’m a bit new to following these conventions, but it has a kingmaker feel to it.
All the machinations of the opposition and the establishment has been overshadowed by Captain Madias brilliance. Hats off buddy. You will bring Dems out in droves come fall.
Because the 3rd is full of Democrats.
rm - I was trying to push your buttons on the “let the people speak” post. I know this is how candidates are picked. Hats off to you for not taking the bait.
DantheMan -
Hovland would not be 1st or a close 2nd. I have no idea on what basis you make that statement, but there is just no evidence to support that conclusion.
Let’s Get Real -
No, I have no reason to believe that next week will be better for Bonoff other than that they say it will be. I just wrote that to indicate that it is very unlikely that Bonoff drops out.
Moreover, as a neutral observer, there is no reason for Bonoff to get out now. There are still so many delegates to be chosen. The convention is less than a month away, no reason to try to shut this down before then.
Actually I like Hovland, so i did not want to criticize him.
My response, but not to be posted :), was going to be “If the election was held in the Edina Country Club”
Will someone from the Bonoff camp answer whether she plans to drop? Or are they so disillusioned that there is no one left to defend her?
Let’s get real -
It takes 60% to endorse
Yeah, but there is always an endorsement, and the endorsement goes to the person who has more than 50% going into the convention. That person historically always gets it on future ballots.
So, zack is there anyway she gets over 50
Sure. There are enough delegates outstanding that it is entirely possible that she’ll get over 50%. I am not predicting that she will, but it is possible.
How is it possible given she barely won her home district, and Madia has won every other district? I just don’t see where she picks up delegates if she can’t do so significantly in her home district.
I attended SD47 convention. Half the room was wearing Madia blue. Read the details at:
MN03: Big day for Ashwin Madia
It is looking good for the Brave Captain.
We don’t know how much Bonoff won 43 by yet. They are still subcaucusing as I write this.
She will do better than her home district in the SLP convention. Thats all.
How do you think the Bonoff campaign will spin this? Is there any reason to believe she will win any caucus in this campaign, save SD 43 , her home district.
Blah Blah Blah what are the numbers in 43?
Yes, she will win the one in SLP.
let’s get real -
I have no reason she’ll win anything outside 43, and I have no reason to believe that Madia will win anything next week. We don’t know what next week will look like.
Also, this is not a Presidential race. The impact of one convention upon another is minimal, if not non-existant. This race is almost over (CD 3 convention less than a month away) there is no reason to try to force Bonoff from the race.
But, next week’s conventions do you think she wins delegates or loses delegates?
I don’t have any basis to make that prediction either way at this point. I’m going to digest these results, talk to both campaigns and I’ll let you know what I come up with tomorrow.
Any word on when we get numbers/solid predicts from 43?
soon
Zack, I see you are backtracking as today’s results become more apparent. You started out by saying that Bonoff’s people feel “very good” about next week. Now, you are saying you have no idea whether they will even win a single convention next week.
There simply is no reason to believe that she will be stronger next week. These districts, geographically, were much better for her than next week’s districts.
I am not backtracking. Bonoff’s people do feel “very good” about next week. I personally have no data or rationale to support or oppose that feeling. These statements are not mutualy exclusive.
Zack, that is a fair point, and I concede it. Let me ask you this: In your conversations with Bonoff’s folks, did they feel more confident about next week than this week? That would be interesting. If they themselves knew that this week would be tough for them, and had more confidence in next week…
Just as i predicted yesterday. Watch for Plymouth. There will be a whole lot of something going on out there. And there is.
Madia has at least 7 delegates in SD 43! Looks like he may win it!
How mnay total delegates in SD43 ?
lgr - win what? SD 43, or CD3?
19
Yes. Bonoff’s people feel that next week will be more kind to them than this week.
Zack -
I respect your professionalism in not speculating before you have data. That is the sign of a good blogger.
I too respect your professionalism Zack. So, Bonoff’s people believe that they can make up the delegate deficit next week, I suppose. I guess that’s the only theory for staying in the race.
She’ll win delegates at next weeks conventions (she won’t ‘lose’ delegates), and it’s also worth noting that there are going to be undecided delegates who the candidates can work on in the month between next weeks conventions and the CD convention.
This race is going to be very very close. Sean
Realize this isn’t CD3, but might be interesting nonetheless. Just got back from the SD62 Convention. Results are:
14 - Franken
9 - JNP
4 - Uncommitted
1 - Ciresi
Keep in mind this is JNP’s home district. I was part of the Franken team and we seemed to be more organized than JNP. Our district leader Hassan Mian did a great job.
Here ‘theory for staying in the race’ is that uncommiteds will be needed to put a candidate over the threshold, and a lot can happen in a run-up to and during a MN DFL Congressional District Convention. She also has a some pretty elite people to do groundwork for it.
SD 43 rumor:
10 Bonoff
8 Madia
1 Franken uncommitted
I respect Sean and Zack trying hard to be nuetral and objective. However this race is not close. Ashwin has trounced Bonoff, by any which way u can calculate it.
The only way this race will ever get close, is if all the super and uncommitted go for Bonoff.
John s — what do you mean that she has “some pretty elite” to do groundwork.
I forget to type in people, so I edited it in.
And by that I mean Klobuchar’s deputy campaign manager and some of her field crew, some of whom were with Klobuchar from pre-convention. You can talk to Ford Bell and Patty Wetterling for that groups skill in doing convention run-up work.
Still though, Madia’s got impressive numbers, but it ain’t over till the convention votes.
I agree with RM. This race is over. A 20 delegate deficit today is almost impossible to overcome. Even if she wins 4-5 delegates total next week — an optimistic scenario — she’s done. The supers will never overturn the will of the voters.
john s — if they were so good, they would not be losing so badly at every sd caucus!
I will make one of those rare posts were I pre-empt KH, but in agreement (but with more brevity and less bitterness). This ain’t the national party. This is the DFL. Party leadership can do a lot. A whole lot. And Bonoff has paid her dues, and been paying them a heck of a lot longer than Ash Madia has.
John S - that would be a huge mistake by the DFL leaders. This year’s strong turnout includes literally thousands of new DFL activists in the 3d. The best way to kill that growth is to squelch it by ignoring the groundswell for Madia.
Anyone thinks they will take this from Madia thru some backroom machinations is dreaming. I predict the various sub groups in the DFL will go ballistic and not support DFL candidates.
The biggest loss is not Madia, but Al Franken. Why, because he needs the Madia turnout in Plymouth, Brooklyn Park, and far west suburbs.
Wow, I am really shocked at how Madia is doing. I think he’s the best guy in the race by far, but it’s really sad that Bonoff has totally tanked. I know for a fact that she has really good former Klobuchar people working on her staff - if they, plus all the endorsements, can’t get her farther than these results show, that bodes really ill for her future in this race. I don’t know what Sean is talking about by saying she’s the most improved speaker - she still talks to folks like we’re fourth graders (and with that same level of sophistication).
Winning in SLP? What’s to win - 3 delegates max?
RM: Do you mean Saint Louis Park when you say SLP?
I’ll agree the Saint Louis Park convention, SD44, is next weekend.
[SD44 also includes Golden Valley and Hopkins]
I think most all of the delegates are to CD5, and very few to CD3.
I think only the very western portion of Hopkins is in CD3, and I think it equates to 3 delegates.
Even if Bonoff wins 10 delegates in SD43, I don’t see 3 delegates from SD44 getting her out of the hole.
It seems that Madia’s people are also quite good, and it seems to be an insurgent’s sort of year this year.
Thank you John S for acknowledging reality — that this race is over, and Madia has won. It is an insurgent year. Bonoff should do the graceful thing and exit.
VS - Thanks for the update. I was not aware of the CD3/CD5 split. Then she is true toast. It will be interesting to see what happens next, because I wont rule anything out.
Bonoff has support from Senator Ron Latz (SD44), and representative Steve Simon (SD44A), along with former senator Steve Kelley (as listed on her website), but her long list of supporters and endorsers does not seem to be pulling in the delegates right now.
I can’t stop praising up , but at least once more. Can anyone tell me of a bigger take down in DFL politics than this ? All from a 30 year old with no money and no endorsements.
For gods sake from the Vice President, to Speaker , to House Majority everyone endorsed Bonoff and she got a lesser % of the vote today than a homeless guy who ran for mayor in Burnsville.
RM — I couldn’t agree with you more. At this point, the DFL bigwigs should endorse Ashwin tomorrow to save face. This race is over. Bonoff got creamed. Ashwin has this in the bag. And the DFL bigwigs can either see the writing on the wall, or be further humiliated at the convention.
More complete and confirmed SD 43 results:
19 delegates selected:
Senate: Franken — 11, Uncommitted — 3, Ciresi — 3, Pallmeyer — 2
CD 3: Bonoff — 10, Madia — 8, Uncommitted — 1
I just got home from SD 43! This was an awesome day for Ashwin Madia! He took 8 of the 19 possible delegates in Bonoff’s home turf!
If that uncommitted delegate goes Madia then Ash can claim almost 50% in Terri’s own district. That is on top of Madia winning in every other convention today, some by a 3 to 1 margin!
The big question floating around that high school this afternoon was when is Terri going to bow out gracefully. Time will tell.
Perhaps, she will bow out tomorrow once the party leadership sees these results and starts back Ash Madia. This campaign is over, baby! Bring on Paulsen.
CD 4 has 1 delegate
Didn’t get Bonoff get two in SD63?
If is over for anyone it looks like it is over for Jim Hovland. No points on the board is not a good sign at all.
This thing is going down to the CD3 convention, there is no dropping out. There is also no need to for anybody to drop out, they are not waging an expensive and nasty campaign. They are phone banking delegates and having debates tops.
Let the process work, it will all be fine, we are in no hurry.
Does anybody know if numbers are out for CD6 yet?
The gap between the popular vote and the superdelegates is quite remarkable. At some point, they need to start swinging to Madia or the party is going to be severely damaged, no different than if the superdelegates swung the national election.
“Can anyone tell me of a bigger take down in DFL politics than this ? All from a 30 year old with no money and no endorsements.”
Actually, the DFL has a long history of doing this kind of thing - nominating someone through their idiotic endorsement process who has no prayer of winning the general election.
Meanwhile over on the GOP side, Neil Peterson and Ron Erhardt were denied endorsement.
Big day for Madia. He knows how to play this game.
pix from CD32 at http://www.gavinsullivan.com
So, will Bonoff drop — that’s the rumor going on in SD 43. She knows that the writing is on the wall.
This guy Sanguin is a joke. After getting crushed today, he has the audacity to put out a release saying Bonoff will have more delegates by the time of the convention. If I were Bonoff, I’d fire someone who was so delusional about the state of the campaign. Are the Bonoff folk’s living in an alternative universe. Do they not see this campaign is over, and their candidate lost??!??
Ken Sanguin, Campaign Manager for Terri Bonoff, emailed the following press release to me:
“Just past the midway point until the 3rd Congressional District endorsing convention, the battle to replace Jim Ramstad in Congress is closer than ever. After six Senate District Conventions, with another six left to go, Terri Bonoff and Ashwin Madia are within a few percentage points in the total delegate count with more than enough undeclared delegates to make up the margin. Next Saturday 53 additional delegates will be elected to the Congressional convention and our campaign is focused on convincing the majority of those delegates that Terri Bonoff is the candidate who can beat Erik Paulsen in November, bring change to Washington and deliver results for the people of Minnesota. This is a tight race, no doubt about it, but we are confident that we will have the most delegates and be best prepared going into the 3rd District convention on April 12th.”
After the first six endorsing conventions, the delegate count, including auto-delegates, shows Terri Bonoff with 46 delegates, Ashwin Madia with 51.5 delegates and 8 undeclared delegates.
”***Does anybody know if numbers are out for CD6 yet?”***
Demrock6, link here:
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There’s A Race, In The Sixth!
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Submitted by TwoPuttTommy on March 9, 2008 - 12:19am.
I had a funny feeling the race in CD3 was about over, so I thought I’d go up to Stillwater to see if they still had a race. And do they ever have a race! But before I did that, I wanted to see how the local GOPers were spending their time.
*** http://www.mnblue.com/node/1260
Unfortunately for Team Bonoff there aren’t enough SuperD’s left to pull this out for her. There are only 2 more uncommitted SuperD’s left. Madia knew that she had sewed up those SuperD’s prior to his getting into the race. But….they are only committed to the first ballot. Right?
How could Sanguin send out an email openly stating the truth? He couldn’t very well put an email to his supporters telling them that they got their butts kicked in 4 conventions, squeeked one out in her own living room and only salvaged the results by using SuperD’s, could he? He’s paid to spin positively for her. The rest of us need to read through the spin.
The people are speaking - loudly. Ash Madia is doing exceptionally well in this race and will do wonderfully against Paulsen this fall. Let’s juse wait to see how the GOP tries to make him out like a DFL’er wimp on national security and ignorant about Iraq. You could sell tickets to see Madia take him down in a debate. I’d like to see Paulsen call Madia a wimp. Not too many Marines would take that sitting down. I don’t think Madia will either. He’s someone many GOP’ers can vote for comfortably because he understands the national security issues near and dear to the hearts of the GOP.
Let’s get this endorsement over and let’s get started on Paulsen!
Super D’s have a history of not showing up! no one should count chickens before they hatch. Bonoff went after the old time party faithful, and Madia went after the people he wants to represent. The people are speaking loud and clear and I would say that is the endorsement that really matters!
It’s time for us all to unite behind our Democratic candidate and move forward to the real battle!
Ashwin Madia is ready for the general election, and will do very well against Paulsen!
I don’t think Bonoff has given up, at least she isn’t showing it if she has. I actually saw her wondering about after SD43 finished up. She clearly looked frustrated, but, was trying to rally some troops for next week.
But, she lost SD43 because Madia just commands the room. In my subcaucus, more than a third of the people had not even really heard of Madia before the morning but were blown away by the energy of the Madia supporters.
At this point, its a snowball rolling down the hill that she can’t stop.
This primary has laid bare the crony system of endorsements that exists in the DFL. My cronies endorsing your crony, and your crony endorsing my cronies.
Sure my posts are uncomfortable. But the truth hurts. We were all told how superior and wonderful Terri Bonoff was as a candidate and how she was this electoral giant. Unfortunately for them this election was not limited to the Sun Sailor ed. pages, where once again, your cronies call my cronies a wunderkid and genious, and my cronies return the favor.
What we saw is a sitting state Senator that can, quite frankly, debate and present her “views” at an 10th grade level. And Zack and Sean call that an improvement !!!.
So what happenned to all this so called “executive business” experience. Well my friends as I have stated from Day 1, any man or woman who actually makes a living in the private sector could tell u in an instant, it was never there. It was the open display of the result of a crony system that has egg on their face.
To be fair to Bonoff, I think she’s a good candidate, and, speaks to a lot of the people she needs to speak to and win. I also think that in almost any other DFL election, she would have rolled through.
Her problem is that there just are only so many middle aged women in red blazers that are willing to show up for an entire Saturday and caucus for them. And, those middle aged woman just are not nearly as infectious of advocates for their candidate as the mass of blue shirted, young and ethnically diverse crowd. The few women that were trying to swing undecideds for Bonoff were, in fact, sometimes off-putting. I can think of one in particular.
Madia’s ground swell translates well in a caucus system (case in point, Obama) but who knows how it translates into a general election. In that sense, the crony system of a caucus system wherein only the hardcore political nuts are willing to show up, may have HURT Bonoff. She may have faired better in a primary.
Bonoff just hit a buzz saw in Madia. She was good, but not nearly as good as Madia when it came to speaking and the ground game. The superdelegates just didn’t take the time to look at all of the candidates before jumping on the presumptive nominee.
What we have is Jigar Ashwin Madia bringing every person he would get in a general election to conventions as delegates. The reality is Jigar Ashwin Madia cannot win a GE in the 3rd.
If you look at the Madia delegates they do not represent the 3rd district but a few people that support him in the district.
What Jigar Ashwin Madia has failed to realize is that without the base of the party and with all his dirty tricks he will not be our nominee nor will he be welcomed as a new democrat.
Yes, the democratic party is the party of inclusion but we stand for a lot of issues. Including union jobs and union wages.
Jigar Ashwin Madia and his inability to embrace the DFL ideology came clear this Saturday when it was revealed their campaign purchased foreign made T-Shirts from Honduras.
Anyone who has been in the party knows this is a NO NO!!!!
He will not get any “Union Support” with this and like it or not… labor is a big force in the DFL.
A hard-core republican may get the republican endorsement but one who pretends to now be a democrat will not get the DFL endorsement! http://www.mndaily.com/articles/1996/11/04/1935
WFINH
I really feel sorry for you. YOu obviously haven’t looked around yourself lately. The people representing the 3rd look exactly like the delegates at our conventions supporting Jigar Ashwin Madia.
I’m thrilled to use his full name if that makes you happy. Nothing else seems to.
WFE, TCF Bank is open on Sundays I think. Go cash your trolling pay check. That way u can buy whats on sale at CUB today. The Bonoff campaign will fold really soon, so i were u i would not waste time, because after next week the check may bounce. Get going buddy.
AS a Union family, I am here to tell you that We have no problem with t shirts that are printed on a union shop by union paid employees.
We fully endorse Jigar Ashwin Madia! His family values are our family values. Where are your family values? We see a family that loves all of it’s members and openly supports them.
Again, Terri Bonoff drives around in an Audi. She thinks outsourcing is good for companies. How does that square with Unions?
I don’t get a dime for this fun! Again, I volunteer for many campaigns and all I get is crackers and cookies laid out for the public. So I am given no more than the Madia women who stopped by to take crackers, granola bars and bottles water in Eden Prairie. Maybe the Madia women are trolls for Bonoff… your insults are funny!!!! Can you not come up with some educated debate!
I have a family and that is why I support Senator Terri Bonoff. She understands what it means to raise a family and have a mortgage. I have children and a home and am an educated professional… so your “republican-like” attacks are old. Bonoff supporters were more diverse.
I say Jigar Ashwin Madia because that is his name. I understand his father is Ashwin and the boys all have Ashwin as a middle name.
So if I say “Ashwin” then who am I referring to. Why did Jigar change his name? In college he went by Jigar!
Is he trying to hide his republican past? http://www.mndaily.com/articles/1996/11/04/1935
If you have ever attended a DFL convention or know anything about the DFL party you know “L” stands for LABOR!
Not T-Shirts made in Honduras.
As to cars, there is no car manufactured 100% in the USA.
Jiagar Ashwin Madia is unelectable! He is a spoiler who only wishes to further his own career and himself.
Communicating at a tenth grade level is a great improvement if the fourth grade level was the starting point. This achievement in less than a year would be something for the ‘No Child Left Behind’ folks to really crow about.
Plymouth: ” … those middle aged woman just are not nearly as infectious of advocates for their candidate as the mass of blue shirted, young and ethnically diverse crowd. The few women that were trying to swing undecideds for Bonoff were, in fact, sometimes off-putting.”
This seems a bad case of stereotyping. The diversity of the Team Madia includes plenty of middle aged - and senior - women - in addition to young. And who’s to say that age or gender makes anyone less effective as an advocate for their candidate that might be of a lesser age and different gender.
Au contraire, those middle aged or senior women might just be more effective in persuading other middle aged and senior women to vote for Madia. The DFL diversity includes many in that demographic, and isn’t that what microtargeting is about?
I like Terri Bonoff, too! She’s never changed her name. And she’s always lived in our district, because she’s never traveled (which is good). And she’s never reconsidered her political beliefs and admitted she needed to change them. And her supporters have never taken cookies from the table of another candidate! And she’s white! Yay!
OK! Home work time.
Everyone go to your closet and check your tee shirts, and report back what brand name is made in the U.S.A.
And I don’t want to hear about the shirt you got in Disney World in 1976.
I want you to check the ones you got in 2008.
Yes, this is an exercise in awareness of the global marketplace.
Cutest thing yesterday….Team Bonoff’s little scheduler - you know - the pouty little young thing in her Bonoff t-shirt crabbing about the Madia t-shirts being made in Honduras….wearing her designer Joe’s Jeans made in Malaysia.
Let’s discuss the views on outsourcing….Terri believes outsourcing is good. She said so in the Brooklyn Center debate. Check the transcripts. So, why is her campaign having a cow over t-shirts?
Let’s discuss the ethnic diversity of the 3rd. Please. It’s not all white middle aged women - but there are lots of them supporting Ash, or Jigar, or whatever you want to call him.
My hubby did exactly what he did with his name. He and his dad share a name….they chose to split the names and one goes by the first, one by the middle…..for the most mundane reasons….magazine subscriptions getting doubled and canceled because they couldn’t be kept straight. Guess when this happened? After college. It’s just a non-issue.
Winning the middle aged housewife vote isn’t going to win the 3rd…..not these days. Ash is doing very well with that demographic, too, by the way.
“What we have is Jigar Ashwin Madia bringing every person he would get in a general election to conventions as delegates.”
Yes. That is how you win an endorsement. He is very good at working the endorsement.
Whoever the Democratic candidate is will have national money pumping into this race. Regardless of who the candidate is or what their message is, Democrats nationwide have ID’d this race as a priority. Money will flow. It will have nothing to do with the candidate and everything to do with this being a targeted seat in the beltway.
The winner of the endorsement instantly becomes part of a Democratic machine. No more grassroots theme — they will actually have many advantages.
I have major concerns about Ashwin Madia which I will not re-hash again. However, I give him full credit for getting his followers to the conventions en masse. That is how you win an endorsement.
I’m not sure my comments should be read as saying the Madia crowd was devoid of middle aged women. That wasn’t the point. But, the group was clearly more diverse, and, as a whole, younger than the Bonoff supporters. That group was clearly more energized and more effective at swinging others into their camp (at least at SD43). My point was that there are only so many soccer moms as Bonoff put it who are willing to dedicate a whole day to caucus. If that’s your only demographic you seem to be targeting, its a losing strategy come caucus time, at least when you have someone like Madia in the field.
WFIMH, doesn’t Madia have a number of union endorsements? I also think the consensus was that Madia won the labor debate here in Plymouth. You seem to be grasping at straws — and, are the type of Bonoff supporter that were so off-putting at SD43.
If you did a statistical demographic analysis of the delgation for each, Senator Terri Bonoff’s was more representational of the 3rd.
I am not sure “those middle aged woman” is politically correct terminology.
It is a reality that women aged 40 and above will decide if a democrat wins the 3rd.
“This primary has laid bare the crony system of endorsements that exists in the DFL. My cronies endorsing your crony, and your crony endorsing my cronies.”
Madia is about to become one of those cronies, if he gets the endorsement. He’ll have money flowing in from thousands of people who have never heard of him. He will become part of the machine that you all have been railing against.
And all this talk of Bonoff exiting the race — why should she? Or why should Hovland for that matter? They have every right to stay in. You Madia folks who are suggesting he should now automitically get the endorsement are sounding like the very insider kingmakers who you have been whining about in reference to Bonoff. You realize that, don’t you?
WF,
I wonder what part of the 3rd you live in? Have you actually been to all points of the 3rd? Do you really honestly believe that Terri’s demographics were representational? If so, we obviously do not live in the same congressional district. FYI…..I am a long time resident of SD42…..decades. The 3rd has changed and it’s just wonderful!
The soccer moms aren’t a large enough demographic - nor were Terri’s “persuaders” very nice yesterday. Their goal should have been to actually speak to Madia supporters - not just glare and be cold to them - and to get them to take off their t-shirts and put on a Bonoff button. Didn’t happen. I wasn’t there for Madia. I was there for Franken so I was a bystander who could watch the interplay. It was obvious the Madia people were there to win supporters and the Bonoff people were there offended that they didn’t have a coronation instead. Very different dynamic. Same last week in 42. The sense of entitlement by Bonoff’s team was offputting to say the least.
Persuading it to grow the group - not insult others for not choosing it.
And, yes, Ash (or Jigar, if you wish) has union endorsements and won the labor debate.
Any speculation on when Terri drops out and decides to salvage her senate seat before the GOP decides she is damaged goods and can be picked off?
WFIMH,
I’m not sure I agree with you or Bonoff that soccer moms will decide this election. There are clearly a lot of first timers coming out, willing to spend an entire day to caucus, and energized by not only the CD3 candidates, but, the national and state candidates as well.
The voting demographic I think is going to look a lot different this cycle. Madia clearly has an ability to bring people into his camp. There were a lot of people that entered that building without blue shirts leave with them. More importantly, there were a lot of people in Madia caucuses that had no blue shirts but who were either persuaded by his supporters or the candidates spending time on the floor.
My guess is that in a traditional race, soccer moms might decide the election. This year, its about capturing the excitement of the democratic party and leveraging the new comers and getting them out to vote. I don’t think anyone can argue that Madia has shown some success in the grass-roots efforts.
Funny!
I personally took a Madia shirt off someone you thought you had. We now have it! And the labor unions will get a good look at it.
Soccer mom’s are the decider’s in the 3rd. They not only vote more heavily DFL, but they are the ones to get their leaning republican husbands to switch. I witnessed it first hand in helping elect Amy Klobuchar. A friend’s republican husband voted for Amy.
My sister lives in Eden Prairie and I have lived in MN my entire life. Don’t insult me.
Jigar Ashwin Madia is a spoiler who cannot win!
Karl Rove in Our Hearts -
I am sorry when people like you have to lower the level of the debate.
WFIMH (aka Ruth Koran)
Your comments are not only blatantly racist, but not representative of Paul Wellstone or the DFL at all. Please change your screen name if you wish to post such sputum of bigotry.
Ashwin Madia’s campaign has assembled a groundswell of support including people of all gender, race, age, sexuality, and socioeconomic background. That is why he overwhelmingly won yesterday’s SD conventions.
As for his name. How dare you. You should be ashamed of yourself. I wouldn’t expect such cultural ignorance from someone as “experienced” as you claim you are in the DFL party.
In the end, Ruth, I have known of you for years, but never thought you were this vicious. I guess this election is showing true colors.
My question to you: When Ashwin gets the endorsement, will you support him? Or will your deep-seated bigotry trump your “DFL values” ?
Wellstone in my heart forever -
I say this as a neutral observer to this race. It is very unWellstonian of you to repeatedly refer to Ash Madia as Jigar Ashwin Madia. You would not do this if his name was Robert John Smith and he went by John Smith. I understand your rationale that Madia went by a different name when he was in college, when he was a Republican. If you want to criticize him for this, fine, but there is no reason to continue this Jigar Ashwin Madia nonsense. Its unbecoming for you and your candidate and I’d like it if you stopped.
I’ve obviously not been a Madia groupie, but I even agree: Call the man by the name that he introduces himself as.
WIMH
You could have had a t-shirt any time….they only cost $5. There was no need to try to act like it was a difficult act to acquire one.
Also, I just re-read all of the posts above….who did you feel insulted you? No one said anything insulting to you. You have been the only one with a chip the size of a 2x4 on your shoulder. As I said, I do feel sorry for you. You seem so incredibly angry.
My question to you….if Ash or Jim win the endorsement, does that mean you will be out there doorknocking for Erik Paulsen because they were both formerly Republicans and have seen the light? Is there, after all, a DFL litmus test? I genuinely hope not. I was always under the impression that this was the party of the big tent and that we could be as open minded as the GOP for accepting Normie when he changed parties…..just wondering if it’s just your anger at your candidate’s i