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	<title>Comments on: Nuclear Ban in MN Lifted?  Please Say it&#8217;s So</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Martin</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ollie Ox, I do think that your objection about finding fuel is one of the more convincing objections put forth in these comments.  I will not pretend that I've read enough on that subject to comment accurately and will gladly concede that it is something that needs to be addressed.

I do think, however, that I've gone to some length in these comments to fairly address issues people have raised.  Obviously, I can't pretend to have answers for everything, but I think I've shown critical thinking here... at least a level that amounts to critical thinking in the context of blog comments.

As for your objections to two words I used, I wasn't saying that those who call for prudent planning are archaic thinkers or misguided environmentalists, what I did say is that there's a certain mindset that those two groups have done much to foster.  I was addressing a mindset, not the objectors here.

And finally, I'm not trying to fear-monger when I say there's little time to wait, that's just a fact.  I'm sorry if you see it as the former, but fear-mongering connotes that there is an intent to strike fear; my intent is little more than placing events in context.  If you think my assessment of timing is inaccurate, please, put forth an argument, but please do not blindly accuse me of fear mongering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ollie Ox, I do think that your objection about finding fuel is one of the more convincing objections put forth in these comments.  I will not pretend that I&#8217;ve read enough on that subject to comment accurately and will gladly concede that it is something that needs to be addressed.</p>
<p>I do think, however, that I&#8217;ve gone to some length in these comments to fairly address issues people have raised.  Obviously, I can&#8217;t pretend to have answers for everything, but I think I&#8217;ve shown critical thinking here&#8230; at least a level that amounts to critical thinking in the context of blog comments.</p>
<p>As for your objections to two words I used, I wasn&#8217;t saying that those who call for prudent planning are archaic thinkers or misguided environmentalists, what I did say is that there&#8217;s a certain mindset that those two groups have done much to foster.  I was addressing a mindset, not the objectors here.</p>
<p>And finally, I&#8217;m not trying to fear-monger when I say there&#8217;s little time to wait, that&#8217;s just a fact.  I&#8217;m sorry if you see it as the former, but fear-mongering connotes that there is an intent to strike fear; my intent is little more than placing events in context.  If you think my assessment of timing is inaccurate, please, put forth an argument, but please do not blindly accuse me of fear&nbsp;mongering.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wind and solar energy just don't produce enough KW/h to produce the energy we need.  There simply isn't enough room to build solar collectors and wind turbines to produce the same amount of electricity as building nuclear power plants.  Even if there was enough room, we still have the NIMBY problem as seen in places like our own North Shore and off the coast of Massachusetts where people who live there have blocked such projects.  The other problem is wind turbines don't store energy and only produce when the wind is blowing sufficiently to spin the turbines.  Wind turbines also need to go offline periodically for maintenance, etc.

Nuclear energy can produce more than enough energy to meet our needs.  As for the waste, we could actually reprocess (ie. recycle) the same fuel rods instead of storing them as waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind and solar energy just don&#8217;t produce enough KW/h to produce the energy we need.  There simply isn&#8217;t enough room to build solar collectors and wind turbines to produce the same amount of electricity as building nuclear power plants.  Even if there was enough room, we still have the NIMBY problem as seen in places like our own North Shore and off the coast of Massachusetts where people who live there have blocked such projects.  The other problem is wind turbines don&#8217;t store energy and only produce when the wind is blowing sufficiently to spin the turbines.  Wind turbines also need to go offline periodically for maintenance, etc.</p>
<p>Nuclear energy can produce more than enough energy to meet our needs.  As for the waste, we could actually reprocess (ie. recycle) the same fuel rods instead of storing them as&nbsp;waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wired article isn't much better.  Those with enivronmental concerns are written off as "the granola crowd" and "flannel wearers."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wired article isn&#8217;t much better.  Those with enivronmental concerns are written off as &#8220;the granola crowd&#8221; and &#8220;flannel&nbsp;wearers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie Ox</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Ollie Ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt--you haven't addressed the issue of finding fuel for the reactors. Labeling  those who ask for prudent planning as "misguided" and "archiac" is no substitute for critical thinking, nor is fear-mongering statements like "we don't have time to wait."  Finally, relying on one article in a popular magazine isn't particularly convincing either.

There's an argument to be made for looking at nuclear, but you're not doing much for it--rather, you're assembling a collection of hack attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;you haven&#8217;t addressed the issue of finding fuel for the reactors. Labeling  those who ask for prudent planning as &#8220;misguided&#8221; and &#8220;archiac&#8221; is no substitute for critical thinking, nor is fear-mongering statements like &#8220;we don&#8217;t have time to wait.&#8221;  Finally, relying on one article in a popular magazine isn&#8217;t particularly convincing either.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an argument to be made for looking at nuclear, but you&#8217;re not doing much for it&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;rather, you&#8217;re assembling a collection of hack&nbsp;attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: amuseinc</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>amuseinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if tying research and development of alternative energy to the building of nuclear plants may be an answer. The one thing I am afraid of is that we go off half cocked on nuclear and fail to follow up on other methods.

The fact is that the internal combustion engine and petroleum are kind of a technological dead-end. It was pretty smart for the industrial revolution and 1800-1900's. It killed other technologies and research for a long while, but now is coming to seemingly an end of its useful life.

The idea of distributive power is a strong one. A local manufacturer, CPG, American jobs even, sells a bunch of products for this. China, Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other countries see it as a smart way to bring electricity to rural areas without the long transmission lines and other infrastructure. These power plants then use local source; oil, coal, wood whatever to run the generators. Not exactly carbon friendly but neither is huge coal firing plants in the hinterlands with lots of transmission lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if tying research and development of alternative energy to the building of nuclear plants may be an answer. The one thing I am afraid of is that we go off half cocked on nuclear and fail to follow up on other methods.</p>
<p>The fact is that the internal combustion engine and petroleum are kind of a technological dead-end. It was pretty smart for the industrial revolution and 1800-1900&#8217;s. It killed other technologies and research for a long while, but now is coming to seemingly an end of its useful life.</p>
<p>The idea of distributive power is a strong one. A local manufacturer, CPG, American jobs even, sells a bunch of products for this. China, Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other countries see it as a smart way to bring electricity to rural areas without the long transmission lines and other infrastructure. These power plants then use local source; oil, coal, wood whatever to run the generators. Not exactly carbon friendly but neither is huge coal firing plants in the hinterlands with lots of transmission&nbsp;lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, that Wired article is a steaming pile of crap.  Concerned environmentalists are referred to as "the granola crowd" and "flannel wearers."  I see with your reference to "misguided environmentalists," you have taken up the same approach.  What happened to the honest discussion you wanted?  If I understand your position, the answer to the waste problem is that there just isn't a problem, and those stupid hippies don't know what they are talking about, right?

There may be no emissions from the actual power-making proces, but nuclear power is not emission free.

“The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.

It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.

Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, that Wired article is a steaming pile of crap.  Concerned environmentalists are referred to as &#8220;the granola crowd&#8221; and &#8220;flannel wearers.&#8221;  I see with your reference to &#8220;misguided environmentalists,&#8221; you have taken up the same approach.  What happened to the honest discussion you wanted?  If I understand your position, the answer to the waste problem is that there just isn&#8217;t a problem, and those stupid hippies don&#8217;t know what they are talking about, right?</p>
<p>There may be no emissions from the actual power-making proces, but nuclear power is not emission free.</p>
<p>“The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.</p>
<p>It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.</p>
<p>Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract.”&nbsp;<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Demure One</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Demure One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh...waste heat is also a major concern. Indeed many nuclear plants in Europe needed to be shut down during a recent heat-wave; the temperature in the rivers that were absorbing the waste heat from the nuclear plants were getting too high to support aquatic life. Here in Minnesota when the Monticello nuclear power plant had to be shut down hundreds of fish died from thermal shock. At some point we are going to have to talk about energy conservation. Just how much heat can the mighty Mississippi absorb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230;waste heat is also a major concern. Indeed many nuclear plants in Europe needed to be shut down during a recent heat-wave; the temperature in the rivers that were absorbing the waste heat from the nuclear plants were getting too high to support aquatic life. Here in Minnesota when the Monticello nuclear power plant had to be shut down hundreds of fish died from thermal shock. At some point we are going to have to talk about energy conservation. Just how much heat can the mighty Mississippi&nbsp;absorb?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be no emissions from the actual power-making proces, but nuclear power is not emission free.

“The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.

It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.

Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be no emissions from the actual power-making proces, but nuclear power is not emission free.</p>
<p>“The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.</p>
<p>It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.</p>
<p>Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract.”&nbsp;<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be no emissions from the actual power-making proces, but nuclear power is not emission free.

"The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.

It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.

Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be no emissions from the actual power-making proces, but nuclear power is not emission free.</p>
<p>&#8220;The case for nuclear power as a low carbon energy source to replace fossil fuels has been challenged in a new report by Australian academics.</p>
<p>It suggests greenhouse emissions from the mining of uranium - on which nuclear power relies - are on the rise.</p>
<p>Availability of high-grade uranium ore is set to decline with time, it says, making the fuel less environmentally friendly and more costly to extract.&#8221;&nbsp;<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7371645.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Martin</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that there's any doubt that we should continue to investigate into other methods of both energy production and energy distribution; clearly there's no single right answer.  But right now, at this &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; crucial point in time, there's simply no single better way to reduce CO2 emissions in energy production than move to nuclear.  Sure, wind, solar, biomass, and others are all promising, but none even approach the cost/scale that we need to start replacing coal plants.  And, I'm sorry, but we don't have the time right now to wait and see if they pan out.

Nuclear's a mature technology (just look at Europe), storage isn't a &lt;i&gt;huge&lt;/i&gt; problem anymore (rods can be recycled, they are only significantly radioactive for a bit over 100 years, on-site storage has actually worked, and newer technologies like carbon-balls allow for nuclear fuel that can be stored anywhere after it cools), the cost is almost on par with coal (again, long-term), company's know how to do this (both American and otherwise), security's not a huge problem, and it's zero emissions.  But most of all: IT'S READY TO GO NOW.  The only thing holding it back is an unusual and archaic mindset promulgated in America by 3-mile island and misguided environmentalists.

Again, we need better technologies and a wide assortment of them to address climate change and changing energy needs; but for right now, nuclear is a pretty damn good hold over.  And we don't have time to wait.

I know I already posted it, but the Wired article does a good job with all of this:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html
There are tons more articles that say the same thing in more and less complex terms, but the above is recent and accessible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that there&#8217;s any doubt that we should continue to investigate into other methods of both energy production and energy distribution; clearly there&#8217;s no single right answer.  But right now, at this <i>very</i> crucial point in time, there&#8217;s simply no single better way to reduce CO2 emissions in energy production than move to nuclear.  Sure, wind, solar, biomass, and others are all promising, but none even approach the cost/scale that we need to start replacing coal plants.  And, I&#8217;m sorry, but we don&#8217;t have the time right now to wait and see if they pan out.</p>
<p>Nuclear&#8217;s a mature technology (just look at Europe), storage isn&#8217;t a <i>huge</i> problem anymore (rods can be recycled, they are only significantly radioactive for a bit over 100 years, on-site storage has actually worked, and newer technologies like carbon-balls allow for nuclear fuel that can be stored anywhere after it cools), the cost is almost on par with coal (again, long-term), company&#8217;s know how to do this (both American and otherwise), security&#8217;s not a huge problem, and it&#8217;s zero emissions.  But most of all: IT&#8217;S READY TO GO NOW.  The only thing holding it back is an unusual and archaic mindset promulgated in America by 3-mile island and misguided environmentalists.</p>
<p>Again, we need better technologies and a wide assortment of them to address climate change and changing energy needs; but for right now, nuclear is a pretty damn good hold over.  And we don&#8217;t have time to wait.</p>
<p>I know I already posted it, but the Wired article does a good job with all of this:<br />
<a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html</a><br />
There are tons more articles that say the same thing in more and less complex terms, but the above is recent and&nbsp;accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie Ox</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>Ollie Ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy's point about security is a good one, and it brings up another, more fundamental question about energy planning and construction.

Do we go with centralized, big plants, or create distributed networks for creation and transmission of energy?

Wind, solar, and smaller biomass/waste plants at manufacturing plants that encourage companies to monetarize waste streams by selling excess generation or steam heat from their plants can add up--reducing the need for big plants. And like the distributed network Baran proposed for the ARPAnet, there's no one central point for disrupting energy production and distribution.  Same principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy&#8217;s point about security is a good one, and it brings up another, more fundamental question about energy planning and construction.</p>
<p>Do we go with centralized, big plants, or create distributed networks for creation and transmission of energy?</p>
<p>Wind, solar, and smaller biomass/waste plants at manufacturing plants that encourage companies to monetarize waste streams by selling excess generation or steam heat from their plants can add up&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;reducing the need for big plants. And like the distributed network Baran proposed for the ARPAnet, there&#8217;s no one central point for disrupting energy production and distribution.  Same&nbsp;principle.</p>
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		<title>By: swiftee</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>swiftee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Here’s the deal: the only reason why nukes are remotely economically competitive, is because they don’t have to buy what virtually 99.999999 of all other businesses have to buy: liability insurance."

So all we have to do is liquidate the plaintiff's bar and our energy troubles are solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here’s the deal: the only reason why nukes are remotely economically competitive, is because they don’t have to buy what virtually 99.999999 of all other businesses have to buy: liability insurance.&#8221;</p>
<p>So all we have to do is liquidate the plaintiff&#8217;s bar and our energy troubles are&nbsp;solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/06/nuclear-ban-in-mn-lifted-please-say-its-so/#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion, not much to add.  The reason we can't easily send radioactive waste into space is because launches with rockets are inherently risky, and we'd rather not take the risk of spewing radioactive waste over a wide area at high altitudes.  The case may be alerted if we develop magnetic catapult technology (quite a bit less sci-fi than it once was). Generally speaking, once you accelerate an object to escape velocity it's not going to come down as long as it's pointed at the sky, and if you do it on the right vector, it'll go into the Sun.

But right now we can't do that, and rockets aren't an option.
Boom = very, very VERY bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion, not much to add.  The reason we can&#8217;t easily send radioactive waste into space is because launches with rockets are inherently risky, and we&#8217;d rather not take the risk of spewing radioactive waste over a wide area at high altitudes.  The case may be alerted if we develop magnetic catapult technology (quite a bit less sci-fi than it once was). Generally speaking, once you accelerate an object to escape velocity it&#8217;s not going to come down as long as it&#8217;s pointed at the sky, and if you do it on the right vector, it&#8217;ll go into the Sun.</p>
<p>But right now we can&#8217;t do that, and rockets aren&#8217;t an option.<br />
Boom = very, very VERY&nbsp;bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mumbasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mumbasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think CO2 is an issue and that it should be addressed, one certainly has to look at power production (incidentally facing rapidly rising demand) and NO SERIOUS PLAN to address CO2 in power production can even be considered without making (near zero emissions) nuclear a major component.

Wind, conservation, efficiency, other renewables etc. can all play a part but for baseload power at the levels needed to meet demand from not to 2030, your real options are clean coal or nuclear (or a combination).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think CO2 is an issue and that it should be addressed, one certainly has to look at power production (incidentally facing rapidly rising demand) and NO SERIOUS PLAN to address CO2 in power production can even be considered without making (near zero emissions) nuclear a major component.</p>
<p>Wind, conservation, efficiency, other renewables etc. can all play a part but for baseload power at the levels needed to meet demand from not to 2030, your real options are clean coal or nuclear (or a&nbsp;combination).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_disaster

I think you can fill in the blanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_disaster" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_disaster</a></p>
<p>I think you can fill in the&nbsp;blanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds crazy but, why can't we send our nuclear waste into to space?

Send it on a 4 year journey to Sun. Whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds crazy but, why can&#8217;t we send our nuclear waste into to space?</p>
<p>Send it on a 4 year journey to Sun.&nbsp;Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, interesting post.  I would add only that we can't look to any one source as a solution to current or future energy needs.  Nuclear power should be part of a mix of other solutions, including wind and solar power, and tidal power in coastal areas.

The other point I would add is that security is going to be an especial concern around nuclear power plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, interesting post.  I would add only that we can&#8217;t look to any one source as a solution to current or future energy needs.  Nuclear power should be part of a mix of other solutions, including wind and solar power, and tidal power in coastal areas.</p>
<p>The other point I would add is that security is going to be an especial concern around nuclear power&nbsp;plants.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I am wondering if those who want more nuclear plants have any thoughts about what we should be doing with the spent rods.  Would it be O.K. if we stored it in your basements?

Of course, the damned radioactivity is going to last a lot longer than you do, so maybe that wouldn't really be fair to your great-great-great-great grandchildren.

Or of course we could leave the pernicious radioactivity behind when you or your progeny sell the house, as long as you put it down on one of those full-disclosure statements that you leave on the table at the open house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am wondering if those who want more nuclear plants have any thoughts about what we should be doing with the spent rods.  Would it be O.K. if we stored it in your basements?</p>
<p>Of course, the damned radioactivity is going to last a lot longer than you do, so maybe that wouldn&#8217;t really be fair to your great-great-great-great grandchildren.</p>
<p>Or of course we could leave the pernicious radioactivity behind when you or your progeny sell the house, as long as you put it down on one of those full-disclosure statements that you leave on the table at the open&nbsp;house.</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie Ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ollie Ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should definitely look at nuclear power as an option, but take a keen interests in its real costs. Right now, the nuclear power industry says it can't build new plants without massive loan guarantees. This provoked objections from conservative taxpayer watchdog groups when some in the Senate tried to include loan-guarantees in the Energy bill:

"“Taxpayers should not be required to finance billions in risky loan guarantees,” states a letter that [Taxpayers for Common Sense], the National Taxpayers Union and Citizens Against Government Waste jointly sent to Congress last week."

http://thehill.com/business--lobby/nuclear-advocates-try-to-clear-obstacles-2007-11-08.html


And then there's another factor: fuel for the reactors. Yesterday's CQPolitics article raised the question:

...But few people — and it would seem no Washington-based policy makers — are talking about the possibility that there might not be enough reactor fuel to satisfy the rapidly rising global demand.

It’s already clear that worldwide production of electricity by all methods is likely to double during the next two-and-a-half decades. That will be mostly driven by rising calls for power in the developing world, particularly India and China — the same countries that are straining the supplies of fossil fuels.

A joint report last week by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development and the International Atomic Energy Agency repeated that assessment, and noted that if just 10 percent of the increased global demand for electricity is met by construction or expansion of nuclear power plants, the global capacity for nuclear energy would double. That would impose a corresponding doubling in the requirement for enriched uranium and other nuclear plant fuels, and neither current inventories nor the ensured production of new fuel might be able to meet it.

There seems to be a view that nuclear power — aside from the prohibitive cost of design and environmental mitigation — is a relatively cost-free resource. That’s not true at all....

Go read the rest:
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=weeklyreport-000002891004

Basically there's no silver bullet for energy policy. It'll be a complex portfolio approach. Not particularly good for campaign slogans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should definitely look at nuclear power as an option, but take a keen interests in its real costs. Right now, the nuclear power industry says it can&#8217;t build new plants without massive loan guarantees. This provoked objections from conservative taxpayer watchdog groups when some in the Senate tried to include loan-guarantees in the Energy bill:</p>
<p>&#8220;“Taxpayers should not be required to finance billions in risky loan guarantees,” states a letter that [Taxpayers for Common Sense], the National Taxpayers Union and Citizens Against Government Waste jointly sent to Congress last week.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://thehill.com/business--lobby/nuclear-advocates-try-to-clear-obstacles-2007-11-08.html" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/business&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;lobby/nuclear-advocates-try-to-clear-obstacles-2007-11-08.html</a></p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s another factor: fuel for the reactors. Yesterday&#8217;s CQPolitics article raised the question:</p>
<p>&#8230;But few people — and it would seem no Washington-based policy makers — are talking about the possibility that there might not be enough reactor fuel to satisfy the rapidly rising global demand.</p>
<p>It’s already clear that worldwide production of electricity by all methods is likely to double during the next two-and-a-half decades. That will be mostly driven by rising calls for power in the developing world, particularly India and China — the same countries that are straining the supplies of fossil fuels.</p>
<p>A joint report last week by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development and the International Atomic Energy Agency repeated that assessment, and noted that if just 10 percent of the increased global demand for electricity is met by construction or expansion of nuclear power plants, the global capacity for nuclear energy would double. That would impose a corresponding doubling in the requirement for enriched uranium and other nuclear plant fuels, and neither current inventories nor the ensured production of new fuel might be able to meet it.</p>
<p>There seems to be a view that nuclear power — aside from the prohibitive cost of design and environmental mitigation — is a relatively cost-free resource. That’s not true at all&#8230;.</p>
<p>Go read the rest:<br />
<a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=weeklyreport-000002891004" rel="nofollow">http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=weeklyreport-000002891004</a></p>
<p>Basically there&#8217;s no silver bullet for energy policy. It&#8217;ll be a complex portfolio approach. Not particularly good for campaign&nbsp;slogans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, thanks for the article.  Some very good points but some problems too, especially in discounting wind and solar as alternatives.

Wind turbines only take up a lot of space if the land isn't used for anything else - which isn't what happens.  The turbines have to be spaced apart, but the "footprint" of each turbine is only a fraction of the area needed. The turbines are frequently placed on land that was already being used for grazing and farming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, thanks for the article.  Some very good points but some problems too, especially in discounting wind and solar as alternatives.</p>
<p>Wind turbines only take up a lot of space if the land isn&#8217;t used for anything else - which isn&#8217;t what happens.  The turbines have to be spaced apart, but the &#8220;footprint&#8221; of each turbine is only a fraction of the area needed. The turbines are frequently placed on land that was already being used for grazing and&nbsp;farming.</p>
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