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		<title>By: DantheMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/08/okay-now-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-23033</link>
		<dc:creator>DantheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any way you can answer my question by speaking ABOUT Obama and not AGAINST McCain?  I was specifically asking for examples on when he places principle above party.  You see, there are many of us out there, probably 75% of the populus, who don't believe in the Democratic platform on a plank-by-plank basis.  It would be nice to know that Obama would taken an enlightened, balanced approach to governing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any way you can answer my question by speaking ABOUT Obama and not AGAINST McCain?  I was specifically asking for examples on when he places principle above party.  You see, there are many of us out there, probably 75% of the populus, who don&#8217;t believe in the Democratic platform on a plank-by-plank basis.  It would be nice to know that Obama would taken an enlightened, balanced approach to&nbsp;governing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I haven’t seen a thing that tells me an Obama administration, when it comes down to how it will affect my and my kids’ lives,

Ummm, maybe the VP pick.  McCain's obvious and cynical kneeling before the religious right with this pick should indicate how flawed and self-serving his judgment is.  John McCain will always put John McCain ahead of the best interests of this country.  Should McCain have some serious health problem in his first term, Sarah Palin could very well be in the position to select a Supreme Court justice.  Are you really comfortable with that?  I'm not, and it's going to become very evident in the next couple of months, most people in the country are not, as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I haven’t seen a thing that tells me an Obama administration, when it comes down to how it will affect my and my kids’ lives,</p>
<p>Ummm, maybe the VP pick.  McCain&#8217;s obvious and cynical kneeling before the religious right with this pick should indicate how flawed and self-serving his judgment is.  John McCain will always put John McCain ahead of the best interests of this country.  Should McCain have some serious health problem in his first term, Sarah Palin could very well be in the position to select a Supreme Court justice.  Are you really comfortable with that?  I&#8217;m not, and it&#8217;s going to become very evident in the next couple of months, most people in the country are not, as&nbsp;well</p>
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		<title>By: DantheMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2008/08/okay-now-seriously/comment-page-1/#comment-23014</link>
		<dc:creator>DantheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If Palin is so unqualified, Obama or Biden must have various instances of targeting those in his own party or rooting our corruption that would make Palin’s accomplishment’s seem minor. Can you please name one?"

This is actually a very relevant question by MNPolWatcher.  Where have we ever seen Obama go after his own party?  Where have we ever seen that his judgment was based on doing the right thing even if it wasn't the party position?  He has surfed gracefully to the top of the Democratic party by being the prototypical Democrat.  Great news for the 25% or so who ID themselves as party line Dems (who just so happen to be active on this board), but not so great news for someone looking for Independent Leadership.

I'll be the first to admit I love Obama the personality.  He is smart, motivating, and optimistic.  But I haven't seen a thing that tells me an Obama administration, when it comes down to how it will affect my and my kids' lives, will be any different than any very left-leaning President.  His policy will be same-old, same-old, big government getting bigger.  His leadership is great, but frankly, I don't need to be led.  I need someone who will make sound policy for the future of our nation.

For his incredible Blue State, Red State speech in 2004, I sure haven't seen anything indicating that he has any interest in anything other than a solid hue of blue nationwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Palin is so unqualified, Obama or Biden must have various instances of targeting those in his own party or rooting our corruption that would make Palin’s accomplishment’s seem minor. Can you please name one?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is actually a very relevant question by MNPolWatcher.  Where have we ever seen Obama go after his own party?  Where have we ever seen that his judgment was based on doing the right thing even if it wasn&#8217;t the party position?  He has surfed gracefully to the top of the Democratic party by being the prototypical Democrat.  Great news for the 25% or so who ID themselves as party line Dems (who just so happen to be active on this board), but not so great news for someone looking for Independent Leadership.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be the first to admit I love Obama the personality.  He is smart, motivating, and optimistic.  But I haven&#8217;t seen a thing that tells me an Obama administration, when it comes down to how it will affect my and my kids&#8217; lives, will be any different than any very left-leaning President.  His policy will be same-old, same-old, big government getting bigger.  His leadership is great, but frankly, I don&#8217;t need to be led.  I need someone who will make sound policy for the future of our nation.</p>
<p>For his incredible Blue State, Red State speech in 2004, I sure haven&#8217;t seen anything indicating that he has any interest in anything other than a solid hue of blue&nbsp;nationwide.</p>
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		<title>By: mad adder</title>
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		<dc:creator>mad adder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irony.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/145424.asp?from=blog_last3

Sen. John McCain did not divest himself of the money from the PAC until Sen. Ted Stevens was indicted. Sen. McCain did not refuse it from the start and he had to know exactly who Sen. Ted Stevens was. 

And now Sen. McCain chose for his VP a person who is a reformer in Alaska Republican politics, making this a relevent issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irony.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/145424.asp?from=blog_last3" rel="nofollow">http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/145424.asp?from=blog_last3</a></p>
<p>Sen. John McCain did not divest himself of the money from the PAC until Sen. Ted Stevens was indicted. Sen. McCain did not refuse it from the start and he had to know exactly who Sen. Ted Stevens was. </p>
<p>And now Sen. McCain chose for his VP a person who is a reformer in Alaska Republican politics, making this a relevent&nbsp;issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reformer McCain??

1982-88: McCain takes over $100,000 in contributions from our well-remembered buddy from Lincoln S&#38;L, Charles Keating, and his employees. McCain and Keating are very close, with McCain frequently joining Keating on outings to the Bahamas, on Keating's dime. Keating also has what Silverman calls a "business relationship" with Jim Hensley, Cindy Hensley's father, and with Cindy as well.

1986: During McCain's race for the Senate, Arizona Democrats ask the Udall staffers not to allow McCain to cling too closely to Udall, worrying that McCain is using Udall as a campaign tool. Udall aide Bob Neuman later says he tries to be subtle, but when McCain figures out what Neuman wants, he bawls Neuman out using words the aide refuses to repeat. Neuman later says McCain was so extreme in his reaction that, as Silverman writes, he thought "there was something really wrong with the guy." McCain is running for Barry Goldwater's seat, with Goldwater's endorsement. But after the Keating scandal, Goldwater loses much of his respect for McCain, and, Silverman writes, "soon found he had to stop McCain from using his good name.

1986: McCain jokes to an audience from the National League of Cities and Towns, asking if they've heard "the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly, and left to die?" The punch line: "When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'" Neuman later says, "John McCain is the Eddie Haskell of politics. You can attribute that to me, and he'll kill me for it."

1987-1988: McCain battles against campaign finance reform, in part on behalf of his pal Keating.

1990: Facing criticism over his relationship with Keating and an upcoming re-election battle, McCain flip-flops and becomes a proponent of campaign finance reform and reducing government spending. Silverman calls McCain's efforts "a farce. McCain famously sponsored a law designed to control special interests' grip on Washington, but at the same time, he took money from those interests." She adds details and links that I won't go into here, but her summation of his efforts: "sadly cosmetic." What he has done is take such a shrill stance against certain types of earmarks--pork, in the vernacular--that Arizona has lost out on federal funding for, among other worthy projects, a program at a Scottsdale hospital that trains military medical personnel in trauma care. Some of that training has been used in Iraq and Afghanistan, for those who were lucky enough to receive it before the program lost much of its funding.

Sounds like is McCain is all about McCain as the cynical political postering pick of Palin is evidence of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reformer McCain??</p>
<p>1982-88: McCain takes over $100,000 in contributions from our well-remembered buddy from Lincoln S&amp;L, Charles Keating, and his employees. McCain and Keating are very close, with McCain frequently joining Keating on outings to the Bahamas, on Keating&#8217;s dime. Keating also has what Silverman calls a &#8220;business relationship&#8221; with Jim Hensley, Cindy Hensley&#8217;s father, and with Cindy as well.</p>
<p>1986: During McCain&#8217;s race for the Senate, Arizona Democrats ask the Udall staffers not to allow McCain to cling too closely to Udall, worrying that McCain is using Udall as a campaign tool. Udall aide Bob Neuman later says he tries to be subtle, but when McCain figures out what Neuman wants, he bawls Neuman out using words the aide refuses to repeat. Neuman later says McCain was so extreme in his reaction that, as Silverman writes, he thought &#8220;there was something really wrong with the guy.&#8221; McCain is running for Barry Goldwater&#8217;s seat, with Goldwater&#8217;s endorsement. But after the Keating scandal, Goldwater loses much of his respect for McCain, and, Silverman writes, &#8220;soon found he had to stop McCain from using his good name.</p>
<p>1986: McCain jokes to an audience from the National League of Cities and Towns, asking if they&#8217;ve heard &#8220;the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly, and left to die?&#8221; The punch line: &#8220;When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, &#8216;Where is that marvelous ape?&#8217;&#8221; Neuman later says, &#8220;John McCain is the Eddie Haskell of politics. You can attribute that to me, and he&#8217;ll kill me for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>1987-1988: McCain battles against campaign finance reform, in part on behalf of his pal Keating.</p>
<p>1990: Facing criticism over his relationship with Keating and an upcoming re-election battle, McCain flip-flops and becomes a proponent of campaign finance reform and reducing government spending. Silverman calls McCain&#8217;s efforts &#8220;a farce. McCain famously sponsored a law designed to control special interests&#8217; grip on Washington, but at the same time, he took money from those interests.&#8221; She adds details and links that I won&#8217;t go into here, but her summation of his efforts: &#8220;sadly cosmetic.&#8221; What he has done is take such a shrill stance against certain types of earmarks&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;pork, in the vernacular&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;that Arizona has lost out on federal funding for, among other worthy projects, a program at a Scottsdale hospital that trains military medical personnel in trauma care. Some of that training has been used in Iraq and Afghanistan, for those who were lucky enough to receive it before the program lost much of its funding.</p>
<p>Sounds like is McCain is all about McCain as the cynical political postering pick of Palin is evidence&nbsp;of.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, lojasmo.  Looks like Obama played it pretty safe, not rocking the boat too much.

Leaving reformer McCain to say:

“This will continue the earmarking and pork-barrel projects,” Mr. McCain said. “We are passing up a great opportunity and again the American people will have been deceived.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, lojasmo.  Looks like Obama played it pretty safe, not rocking the boat too much.</p>
<p>Leaving reformer McCain to say:</p>
<p>“This will continue the earmarking and pork-barrel projects,” Mr. McCain said. “We are passing up a great opportunity and again the American people will have been&nbsp;deceived.”</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Obama or Biden must have various instances of targeting those in his own party or rooting our corruption that would make Palin’s accomplishment’s seem minor. Can you please name one?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/washington/03lobby.html

"I think most conservatives and independents aren’t necessarily turned off by Bush’s ideology"

Perhaps not, but most Americans are.

"his poor management skills (Iraq, Katrina, hiring choices, etc)."

Palin has those in spades.  She left her small city 20 million dollars in debt at the end of her term as mayor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obama or Biden must have various instances of targeting those in his own party or rooting our corruption that would make Palin’s accomplishment’s seem minor. Can you please name one?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/washington/03lobby.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/washington/03lobby.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I think most conservatives and independents aren’t necessarily turned off by Bush’s ideology&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps not, but most Americans are.</p>
<p>&#8220;his poor management skills (Iraq, Katrina, hiring choices, etc).&#8221;</p>
<p>Palin has those in spades.  She left her small city 20 million dollars in debt at the end of her term as&nbsp;mayor.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if you're going to say that Palin has been in office for 2 years, then you don't get to short Obama.  Palin has been in office for 20 months, Obama for 44 months.  I'm ok with saying Palin's has 2 years, but then Obama gets credit for 4, you know what I'm sayin'?

Good for Palin for rooting our corruption in her own party.  That's the sort of thing that every politician should do.  (Which is why Obama was instrumental in ethics reform in the United States Senate)  But her TrooperGate scandal kinda mutes it don't you think?  I'm happy to see her go after corrupting influences, but when she tries to exert influence as Governor for her famly's benefit it loses a lot of momentum.  when she couldn't get her sister's ex fired, she canned his boss who told her no, and she's been caught lying about it afterwards.  Strange choice for the poster child of GOP reform, eh?

I'm also not too impressed with her BS about the "Bridge to Nowhere".  She didn't say "no" to the federal government on this one, the state funding for it didn't get pulled until after the federal funding was being canned.  That's not political courage, that's the 3rd string QB taking a knee in a rout in the 4th Q and calling their role critical...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if you&#8217;re going to say that Palin has been in office for 2 years, then you don&#8217;t get to short Obama.  Palin has been in office for 20 months, Obama for 44 months.  I&#8217;m ok with saying Palin&#8217;s has 2 years, but then Obama gets credit for 4, you know what I&#8217;m sayin&#8217;?</p>
<p>Good for Palin for rooting our corruption in her own party.  That&#8217;s the sort of thing that every politician should do.  (Which is why Obama was instrumental in ethics reform in the United States Senate)  But her TrooperGate scandal kinda mutes it don&#8217;t you think?  I&#8217;m happy to see her go after corrupting influences, but when she tries to exert influence as Governor for her famly&#8217;s benefit it loses a lot of momentum.  when she couldn&#8217;t get her sister&#8217;s ex fired, she canned his boss who told her no, and she&#8217;s been caught lying about it afterwards.  Strange choice for the poster child of GOP reform, eh?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not too impressed with her BS about the &#8220;Bridge to Nowhere&#8221;.  She didn&#8217;t say &#8220;no&#8221; to the federal government on this one, the state funding for it didn&#8217;t get pulled until after the federal funding was being canned.  That&#8217;s not political courage, that&#8217;s the 3rd string QB taking a knee in a rout in the 4th Q and calling their role&nbsp;critical&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mnpolwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>mnpolwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"mnpolwatcher, I agree 100%,

Explain to these moonbats why Sarah Palin’s ideology will be different than the ideology of George W. Bush.

Great Job mnpolwatcher!"

TRWFG,

If Palin is so unqualified, Obama or Biden must have various instances of targeting those in his own party or rooting our corruption that would make Palin's accomplishment's seem minor. Can you please name one? As for Palin's ideology, she may be similar to Bush ideologically. I think most conservatives and independents aren't necessarily turned off by Bush's ideology, but by his poor management skills (Iraq, Katrina, hiring choices, etc). I assume you were just changing the subject since you had no answer though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;mnpolwatcher, I agree 100%,</p>
<p>Explain to these moonbats why Sarah Palin’s ideology will be different than the ideology of George W. Bush.</p>
<p>Great Job mnpolwatcher!&#8221;</p>
<p>TRWFG,</p>
<p>If Palin is so unqualified, Obama or Biden must have various instances of targeting those in his own party or rooting our corruption that would make Palin&#8217;s accomplishment&#8217;s seem minor. Can you please name one? As for Palin&#8217;s ideology, she may be similar to Bush ideologically. I think most conservatives and independents aren&#8217;t necessarily turned off by Bush&#8217;s ideology, but by his poor management skills (Iraq, Katrina, hiring choices, etc). I assume you were just changing the subject since you had no answer&nbsp;though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other point, if you watch Palin's acceptance speech, you can catch McCain checking out her ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other point, if you watch Palin&#8217;s acceptance speech, you can catch McCain checking out her&nbsp;ass.</p>
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