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23 Responses to “Something Smells Fishy”

1. 1 1 Patrick Black
   August 21, 2008 at 6:21 pm

   These are better ads. If Team Franken can focus in on Coleman’s ties with special interests, he can make some serious headway. He needs to do as much damage to Coleman during the primary, when Republicans are hesitant to hammer Franken too hard with Lord Faris right on his tail.

2. 2 2 lojasmo
   August 21, 2008 at 8:10 pm

   Isn’t Lord Farris polling at about 6% or so?

3. 3 3 Demrock6
   August 21, 2008 at 8:58 pm

   I love it!!

4. 4 4 Patrick Black
   August 21, 2008 at 9:12 pm

   Yes, but it still seems as though the Republicans are holding back on Franken.

5. 5 5 lojasmo
   August 21, 2008 at 10:04 pm

   Hmm..Perhaps it’s because they have nothing substantive to say.

6. 6 6 Pretty Fly 4 A White Guy
   August 21, 2008 at 10:10 pm

   The carpenter’s union only endorses Republicans they know will win. They know Coleman will win. I just wish that blogs like this would be a little more
   honest with what they believe. Like…

   Yes, we know Franken is going to lose. But we also know that Obama will be the next president.

   Both statements are true. Now was that so hard?

7. 7 7 south metro dem
   August 21, 2008 at 11:27 pm

   I was opposed to Franken at first because I didn’t like him and thought he would lose, but he has changed my opinion on both counts. I really like his fish ad and think educating voters on Norm’s ethical shortcomings is working. Some time Franken needs to remind people of Norm’s shifting votes on issues and how we can’t know or trust in any core values. His only consistency has been in political expedience and self promotion.

8. 8 8 lojasmo
   August 21, 2008 at 11:41 pm

   PF4aWG:

   I’ll be as honest as I can.

   Obama is going to win in an electoral landslide, in my opinion.

   Franken will eke out a win, in my opinion.

   Both statements are much MORE true than your statements were.

   (can you figure out why?)

9. 9 9 Anonymous
   August 21, 2008 at 11:44 pm

   “The carpenter’s union only endorses Republicans they know will win.”

   So you’re saying carpenters are chickenshit?

10. 10 10 Mockingbird
    August 22, 2008 at 3:26 am

    Its quite petty, passive-aggressive even, to come here to say the candidate won’t win.
    Its also very Neocon-Republican. Gonna hold their breath until it happens? Will it so?

11. 11 11 Kerosene Hat
    August 22, 2008 at 6:24 am

    It is nice to see that Democrats have given up all pretense of campaigning on th issues. I don’t know what I would have done had they given up playing in the slim with Republicans and done something unexpected.

    Both congress’s and the president’s approval ratings hovering around tar and feather levels and 44% of the population thinks the United States’ system is broken and cannot be fixed by traditional two-party politics and elections. What does team Franken come up with? Innuendo delivered by a rubber fish. No wonder everybody hates politicians.

12. 12 12 lojasmo
    August 22, 2008 at 7:02 am

    KH:

    People hate republicans because bush and the rubberstamp republican caucus have FUCKED the people of the United States. Give credit where credit is due.

13. 13 13 Mockingbird
    August 22, 2008 at 7:32 am

    Wahhhh!

    Kerosene Hat doesn’t like it when its not easy?

    Wahhhh! You guys can’t play rough. That’s so not FAIR!!!!!

14. 14 14 Kerosene Hat
    August 22, 2008 at 7:34 am

    Lojasmo,

    You are half right. The Republicans are one of two parties to screw over the U.S. population.

    Half the population votes. Those are almost evenly split between parties. The vast majority of citizens understand that both parties are nothing but self serving gangs. Gangs who’s only loyalty is to winning elections by getting about 20% of the population to support them and using their positions of power to lock out anybody that might challenge them and their oligarchy.

15. 15 15 Kerosene Hat
    August 22, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Mockingbird,

    How did you come to the conclusion that I think it should be easy? When did I mention anything about fair? Is the best you can do to make stuff up and argue against that? Unethical and deceptive tactics are destructive no matter who uses them. Are you such a blind Loyalist to your party that when somebody has a criticism your natural reaction is to make stuff up?

16. 16 16 amuseinc
    August 22, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Kerosene, so you are blaming the voters and citizens for what exactly… that there has not been a successful third party movement in years? Grow up and blame the chickenshit third parties for not capitalizing on the issues and personalities enough to gather the strength need to compete. What have they offered Nader, Barr, whackjobs on the left and right? Libertarians screaming ideology that was proved wrong in the 18th century and then again in the 19th?

    You get the government you deserve… especially in America. That is why the Republican Bush administration and the proposed McCain Bush Third Term has me livid… you people don’t have a clue as to how to run a government! You have proved that over and over again over the last 8 years with your nobid contracts, failures and mistakes. Who needs more stupid Republicans pretending they know what is going on? We need some smarts in charge instead of these C student Republicans like McCain and Bush. Government is not about raping the taxpayers to put money in your supporters pockets and being a worldwide war threat… it is about Americans and our country first.

17. 17 17 JP
    August 22, 2008 at 11:03 am

    WTF does Bush have to do with a plastic fish and Franken vs Coleman.

    Also, in my opinion if Franken wants to hit hard he would look here. http://coleman.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Bio.Accomplishments. And then ask “If you are going to vote for a Democrat, why not vote for one endorsed by the Democrats?”

    I’m with Kerosene, I would like to see some discussion of the issues in this race. No fish, bowlers or former teachers needed.

18. 18 18 amuseinc
    August 22, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Ummm JP, New York Norm has proven with his voting record that he wants to give ongoing support to Bush policies. Senator McCain has repeatedly stated he will continue on Bush domestic and foreign policies. All in all, I think that President Bush is very relevant to both races. You support Bush vote for buttboy and “How many houses do I have?” McCaine. You do not support what the Republican administration has done to this country over the last 8 years you vote Al Franken and Obama.

    See that is very easy to understand… Support Bush policies then vote for Bush’s surrogates. How you cannot see a Republican Senator running for re-election and a Republican candidate for President as being an extension of the present Republican President shows willful ignorance. Exactly why do you think they have political parties?

19. 19 19 Kerosene Hat
    August 22, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    amuseinc give the default partisan answer to every question. If you don’t like the (insert the aspect of competing party that nobody likes or list their offenses) then vote for (insert preferred candidates name).

    Of course since both parties have decades worth of corrupt, incompetent and unethical behavior to choose from it is a brainlessly easy argument to construct. And since the parties have rigged the game to ensure there can be no viable alternatives there is no reason for them to do much else. Meanwhile they disparage anybody who won’t play according to their crooked rules.

20. 20 20 JP
    August 22, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    So based on this simplistic candidate selection methodology, who should I vote for? I dislike Bush and Franken and Coleman. And I don’t know crap about Farris. And no one is talking about the issues.

    I’m not aligned with either party, but need to make a decision. Point is, let’s hear about the differences in beliefs between Franken and Coleman.

    But I fully understand the powers at work here. Hopefully all sides can be respectful.

21. 21 21 amuseinc
    August 22, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    I am a partisan Democrat… never said I was anything but a born, bred and blessed DFLer. Shook hands with Hubert Humphrey, twice. The guy amazed me by knowing my name the second time. Other than his Vietnam War unpleasantness… thought the man represented every reason I have voted Democratic in every election since I achieved the age of voting. I think Republicans who make under McCain’s $5,000,000 a year and vote Republican are being duped. I think that the Arnie Carlson moderate wing of the Republican Party, once I greatly admired, has been driven out by the Bacheman and Kline crazies. After 8 years of Bush, every thought I have ever held about how bad, Republicans are, has been proven correct. And to boot, they are now proposing more of the same through McCain. You got any kind of argument that this is not true?

    Kerosine Hat, please give us an answer. The fact that you see a problem with two parties isn’t enough… if fact it is damn lazy criticism. The American electoral process is not to your liking, I get that. So you have no answer to how to make it “better”? I have one, choose a party and work within it to make your ideas be heard. There are more than two parties in the country, some even get people elected. Join one. Look at the Green Party slowly building strength through local elections. Minneapolis has council people who got elected as greens. I think somewhere in this country the Libertarians have gotten a person elected. It is a false argument to say everything is screwed up and nothing will correct it.

    If the Rightwing and the Religious whackjobs don’t expel you, try the Republicans. My DFL meetings have more viewpoints in them than participants… yours would certainly be welcome. Just drop this pretense of being some kind of above-it-all political genius incapable of finding a party to work with… the fact is you can even start your own. Might prove a little lonely.

22. 22 22 Mockingbird
    August 23, 2008 at 7:08 am

    Kerosene Hat — - now, really!

    No. You clearly did not SAY what I ascribed.
    So I have to retract the attribution.

    But of course, as we both know this game operates on multiple levels. On one those is the fact that this is being fought
    using memes, code words & other distraction techniques by the Coleman campaign already. Because they can’t afford to have Norm stand on his record.

    Norm would have to stand with Bush, or like the cheese, stand alone.

    Thus by sticking solely to issues, despite the disaster that is Bush — its is a way to lose.
    Because so few have a long attention span for facts & issues. That was made clear when John Kerry expected that he could allow fiction to stand, as
    all Vietnam vets’ integrity was impugned by the Neocon right.

    Simply because if no one answers back to outrageous allegations in similar manner, it stands as though it had merit. To cast it in proper light.
    (Rather like you did here, to ask me how I come to the conclusion I posted!)

    OLIGARCHY is an excellent description of what we’ve had these past 8 years, by the way.

23. 23 23 Mockingbird
    August 23, 2008 at 7:21 am

    amuseinc,

    I like your directness.
    Not sure the Hat will.

    Yes. I voted for Arne myself. Though it was harder to do, once he was re-ordained by the Republicans that didn’t want him in the first place,
    after their first candidate got caught skinny dipping with teenagers. (took me a bit to remember the name - Grunseth).

    That bunch is all but buried. The Republican Party was taken over by Neocon sleeper agents, I’ve seen suggested.
    And its probably close enough to dead on.

    I also saw the idiot partisan appointments that Arne made, after being re-elected.
    He assigned some crazies who didn’t have a prayer getting elected on their own. I can’t recall the one guy’s name who lost overwhelmingly in Richfield,
    Ch…. something. A whack job that who was a forerunner to Bachmann.

    Arne went & appointed him to a post. He wasn’t the only such undeserving appointment.
    Thus even Arne was an enabler for the mess we have now.

    That should be a tell for people who know what Bush wrought - and we haven’t even seen the bill yet, but seem to think 4 more
    years of this faux Republican (Neocon) Party in the white house is REALLY capable of fixing what they all but broke!!!!

    Locally, Norm Coleman can still do more longterm damage to Minnesota & the nation, even if he’s mostly just a tag-along guy.
    He’s no longer the Dem who brought hockey back to Minnesota. He’s a turncoat.

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