I like your directness.
Not sure the Hat will.

Yes. I voted for Arne myself. Though it was harder to do, once he was re-ordained by the Republicans that didn’t want him in the first place,
after their first candidate got caught skinny dipping with teenagers. (took me a bit to remember the name - Grunseth).

That bunch is all but buried. The Republican Party was taken over by Neocon sleeper agents, I’ve seen suggested.
And its probably close enough to dead on.

I also saw the idiot partisan appointments that Arne made, after being re-elected.
He assigned some crazies who didn’t have a prayer getting elected on their own. I can’t recall the one guy’s name who lost overwhelmingly in Richfield,
Ch…. something. A whack job that who was a forerunner to Bachmann.

Arne went & appointed him to a post. He wasn’t the only such undeserving appointment.
Thus even Arne was an enabler for the mess we have now.

That should be a tell for people who know what Bush wrought - and we haven’t even seen the bill yet, but seem to think 4 more
years of this faux Republican (Neocon) Party in the white house is REALLY capable of fixing what they all but broke!!!!

Locally, Norm Coleman can still do more longterm damage to Minnesota & the nation, even if he’s mostly just a tag-along guy.
He’s no longer the Dem who brought hockey back to Minnesota. He’s a turncoat.

No. You clearly did not SAY what I ascribed.
So I have to retract the attribution.

But of course, as we both know this game operates on multiple levels. On one those is the fact that this is being fought
using memes, code words & other distraction techniques by the Coleman campaign already. Because they can’t afford to have Norm stand on his record.

Norm would have to stand with Bush, or like the cheese, stand alone.

Thus by sticking solely to issues, despite the disaster that is Bush — its is a way to lose.
Because so few have a long attention span for facts & issues. That was made clear when John Kerry expected that he could allow fiction to stand, as
all Vietnam vets’ integrity was impugned by the Neocon right.

Simply because if no one answers back to outrageous allegations in similar manner, it stands as though it had merit. To cast it in proper light.
(Rather like you did here, to ask me how I come to the conclusion I posted!)

OLIGARCHY is an excellent description of what we’ve had these past 8 years, by the way.

Kerosine Hat, please give us an answer. The fact that you see a problem with two parties isn’t enough… if fact it is damn lazy criticism. The American electoral process is not to your liking, I get that. So you have no answer to how to make it “better”? I have one, choose a party and work within it to make your ideas be heard. There are more than two parties in the country, some even get people elected. Join one. Look at the Green Party slowly building strength through local elections. Minneapolis has council people who got elected as greens. I think somewhere in this country the Libertarians have gotten a person elected. It is a false argument to say everything is screwed up and nothing will correct it.

If the Rightwing and the Religious whackjobs don’t expel you, try the Republicans. My DFL meetings have more viewpoints in them than participants… yours would certainly be welcome. Just drop this pretense of being some kind of above-it-all political genius incapable of finding a party to work with… the fact is you can even start your own. Might prove a little lonely.

I’m not aligned with either party, but need to make a decision. Point is, let’s hear about the differences in beliefs between Franken and Coleman.

But I fully understand the powers at work here. Hopefully all sides can be respectful.

Of course since both parties have decades worth of corrupt, incompetent and unethical behavior to choose from it is a brainlessly easy argument to construct. And since the parties have rigged the game to ensure there can be no viable alternatives there is no reason for them to do much else. Meanwhile they disparage anybody who won’t play according to their crooked rules.

See that is very easy to understand… Support Bush policies then vote for Bush’s surrogates. How you cannot see a Republican Senator running for re-election and a Republican candidate for President as being an extension of the present Republican President shows willful ignorance. Exactly why do you think they have political parties?

Also, in my opinion if Franken wants to hit hard he would look here. http://coleman.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Bio.Accomplishments. And then ask “If you are going to vote for a Democrat, why not vote for one endorsed by the Democrats?”

I’m with Kerosene, I would like to see some discussion of the issues in this race. No fish, bowlers or former teachers needed.

You get the government you deserve… especially in America. That is why the Republican Bush administration and the proposed McCain Bush Third Term has me livid… you people don’t have a clue as to how to run a government! You have proved that over and over again over the last 8 years with your nobid contracts, failures and mistakes. Who needs more stupid Republicans pretending they know what is going on? We need some smarts in charge instead of these C student Republicans like McCain and Bush. Government is not about raping the taxpayers to put money in your supporters pockets and being a worldwide war threat… it is about Americans and our country first.

How did you come to the conclusion that I think it should be easy? When did I mention anything about fair? Is the best you can do to make stuff up and argue against that? Unethical and deceptive tactics are destructive no matter who uses them. Are you such a blind Loyalist to your party that when somebody has a criticism your natural reaction is to make stuff up?