Comments on: KSTP/SUSA Comes Out With Another Poll That’s Unlike The Rest http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/ Tracking Minnesota Politics Since 2005 Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:33:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: New KSTP/SUSA Polls Even More Laughable Than Before | MNpublius.com http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-28210 New KSTP/SUSA Polls Even More Laughable Than Before | MNpublius.com Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:52:18 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-28210 [...] just aired their exclusive SUSA poll, which of course in the past has been a fantastic display of polling incompetency in Minnesota. This is what they [...] […] just aired their exclusive SUSA poll, which of course in the past has been a fantastic display of polling incompetency in Minnesota. This is what they […]

]]> By: Star Tribune/Minnesota Poll: Franken 39, Coleman’s 36, Barkley 18 | MNpublius.com http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-27086 Star Tribune/Minnesota Poll: Franken 39, Coleman’s 36, Barkley 18 | MNpublius.com Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:45:57 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-27086 [...] 10/19 Franken 39, Coleman 41, Barkley 18 (KSTP/SUSA) [...] […] 10/19 Franken 39, Coleman 41, Barkley 18 (KSTP/SUSA) […]

]]> By: tom a. http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-27003 tom a. Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:41:19 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-27003 I believe that the Supremes that are likely to be replaced are considered "liberal" and will of course be replaced by "liberal" justices. How does this change anything? Money from Iraq just moves to Afghanistan folks... I believe that the Supremes that are likely to be replaced are considered “liberal” and will of course be replaced by “liberal” justices. How does this change anything? Money from Iraq just moves to Afghanistan folks…

]]> By: lojasmo http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26982 lojasmo Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:11:56 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26982 @ demdademdemdem I agree. As I said above, SUSA's lack of experience polling Minnesota makes for some very screwy and unreliable internals. This is wrong like the last SUSA poll....just not as spectacularly so. @ demdademdemdem

I agree. As I said above, SUSA’s lack of experience polling Minnesota makes for some very screwy and unreliable internals. This is wrong like the last SUSA poll….just not as spectacularly so.

]]> By: DemDaDemDemDem http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26977 DemDaDemDemDem Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:53:11 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26977 If you notice the Survey USA Poll that came out in the Franken race that puts Coleman up by two points included no, 0, zip, zilch minority voters. It was all white people go look at the poll online and be enlightened! Way to provide a poll that doesn't represent in any way a demographic cross-section of the state. Cheers! If you notice the Survey USA Poll that came out in the Franken race that puts Coleman up by two points included no, 0, zip, zilch minority voters. It was all white people go look at the poll online and be enlightened! Way to provide a poll that doesn’t represent in any way a demographic cross-section of the state.

Cheers!

]]> By: TwoPuttTommy http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26975 TwoPuttTommy Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:19:13 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26975 I put it like this: "With Al Fanken, you know where he stands; he's an unabashed progressive that understands it's a strong middle-class that drives the economy. With Norm Coleman, he's an unabashed weasel that will change positions at the slight drop of poll numbers or change in the political winds. When being with Bush and serving as his attack chihuahua was the thing to do, Norm did it. Now the thing is bi-partisanship, and to hear Norm talk, you'd think he was a Democrat, once more. I'll take the known quantity over the career flipflopper every day of the week." I put it like this: “With Al Fanken, you know where he stands; he’s an unabashed progressive that understands it’s a strong middle-class that drives the economy. With Norm Coleman, he’s an unabashed weasel that will change positions at the slight drop of poll numbers or change in the political winds. When being with Bush and serving as his attack chihuahua was the thing to do, Norm did it. Now the thing is bi-partisanship, and to hear Norm talk, you’d think he was a Democrat, once more.

I’ll take the known quantity over the career flipflopper every day of the week.”

]]> By: Graham http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26972 Graham Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:06:03 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26972 @DantheMan I completely agree with you that “after 8 years of Bush’s failed policies, can the Democrats do much worse?” would be a horrible slogan to use! But it's not actually a slogan, and it's not the driving point of the DFL or the Democrats' message this cycle. Certainly, the Dems are capitalizing on dissatisfaction (read: disgust) with the way Bush and the Republicans ran the country into the ground economically, politically, diplomatically et al, but they are out front with real solutions to real problems. The “after 8 years of Bush’s failed policies, can the Democrats do much worse?” argument is coming out late in the game, straight from Obama the standard-bearer, because it's meant to give those last few undecideds or the relentlessly wishy-washy moderates among us a reason to break to the Democrats rather than breaking to the Republicans. Lastly, the argument that worked the best doorknocking out in Eden Prairie that I forgot to mention explicitly was this: Me: "Are you happy with the job Norm Coleman has done in the last six years?" Voter: "Well, no. He hasn't done a damned thing… but that Al Franken, I just don't think he's ready." Me: "Well, if we gave Coleman six years, and you're not happy with him, why in the world would you ever vote to send him back? If six years isn't long enough to prove yourself, will another six years really make it better?" Voter: "Well, I never thought of it like that…" Me: "If Coleman's been an ineffective do-nothing rubber-stamp Republican senator, don't you think you should give someone else a shot? Al Franken's a nice guy, he's serious about the issues that matter to you, and he's willing to roll up his sleeves and get to work." If the voter asked what kind of work Franken's done that would prepare him for leadership, I point to his volunteer effort to raise millions of dollars to buy bulletproof helmet liners for the troops in Iraq versus Norm Coleman's failure to oversee fraud, waste, and abuse among the contractors in the country, indirectly leading to the deaths of multiple servicemen who were electrocuted by faulty wiring, for instance. I put it like this: "When Norm Coleman had all the power to do something, he did nothing. Al Franken had no power at all and he did everything he could. Leadership isn't about wielding the power you have, it's getting the job done whether you have power or not." @DantheMan I completely agree with you that “after 8 years of Bush’s failed policies, can the Democrats do much worse?” would be a horrible slogan to use! But it’s not actually a slogan, and it’s not the driving point of the DFL or the Democrats’ message this cycle.

Certainly, the Dems are capitalizing on dissatisfaction (read: disgust) with the way Bush and the Republicans ran the country into the ground economically, politically, diplomatically et al, but they are out front with real solutions to real problems.

The “after 8 years of Bush’s failed policies, can the Democrats do much worse?” argument is coming out late in the game, straight from Obama the standard-bearer, because it’s meant to give those last few undecideds or the relentlessly wishy-washy moderates among us a reason to break to the Democrats rather than breaking to the Republicans.

Lastly, the argument that worked the best doorknocking out in Eden Prairie that I forgot to mention explicitly was this:

Me: “Are you happy with the job Norm Coleman has done in the last six years?”
Voter: “Well, no. He hasn’t done a damned thing… but that Al Franken, I just don’t think he’s ready.”
Me: “Well, if we gave Coleman six years, and you’re not happy with him, why in the world would you ever vote to send him back? If six years isn’t long enough to prove yourself, will another six years really make it better?”
Voter: “Well, I never thought of it like that…”
Me: “If Coleman’s been an ineffective do-nothing rubber-stamp Republican senator, don’t you think you should give someone else a shot? Al Franken’s a nice guy, he’s serious about the issues that matter to you, and he’s willing to roll up his sleeves and get to work.”

If the voter asked what kind of work Franken’s done that would prepare him for leadership, I point to his volunteer effort to raise millions of dollars to buy bulletproof helmet liners for the troops in Iraq versus Norm Coleman’s failure to oversee fraud, waste, and abuse among the contractors in the country, indirectly leading to the deaths of multiple servicemen who were electrocuted by faulty wiring, for instance.

I put it like this: “When Norm Coleman had all the power to do something, he did nothing. Al Franken had no power at all and he did everything he could. Leadership isn’t about wielding the power you have, it’s getting the job done whether you have power or not.”

]]> By: DantheMan http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26971 DantheMan Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:39:43 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26971 NW Indy raises a good point. Throughout my lifetime, it has been a battle of right and left. A big game of tug-of-war. One party gets power, enjoys it, takes it too far, screws up, and then the pendulum swings the other way. This cycle lasts anywhere from 4 to maybe 16 years. An Obama platform is not groundbreaking. It actually sounds quite familiar if you go back a few years. What we can hope for is that he will display leadership able to cross party lines. The kind that requires both sides to take a step toward the middle. If Obama is elected and we simply get four years of him expecting his rockstar magnet to attract the Republicans to his way of thinking, it won't be change. It will be more of the same. With that said, if he is elected, I'll be the first to get behind him and support him as my new President. I won't become a liberal, and I may even campaign against him in four years, but I will stand behind my President. NW Indy raises a good point. Throughout my lifetime, it has been a battle of right and left. A big game of tug-of-war. One party gets power, enjoys it, takes it too far, screws up, and then the pendulum swings the other way. This cycle lasts anywhere from 4 to maybe 16 years.

An Obama platform is not groundbreaking. It actually sounds quite familiar if you go back a few years. What we can hope for is that he will display leadership able to cross party lines. The kind that requires both sides to take a step toward the middle.

If Obama is elected and we simply get four years of him expecting his rockstar magnet to attract the Republicans to his way of thinking, it won’t be change. It will be more of the same.

With that said, if he is elected, I’ll be the first to get behind him and support him as my new President. I won’t become a liberal, and I may even campaign against him in four years, but I will stand behind my President.

]]> By: Joanna http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26970 Joanna Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:13:34 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26970 NW Indy, Not everything will change, including a lot of things important to me. But to say that nothing will change is hiding your head in the sand, or giving in to cynicism and despair. Here's what I'm hoping to celebrate after this election: Possible appointments to the Supreme Court are high on my list of things that will be dramatically improved; a 50 state netroots organizing effort that has been more successful than any in the past and which has empowered people to get involved in local races is a new thing for the Democratic party, and we won't go away; having open conversations about race and racism, while painful, is absolutely necessary; getting fiscal conservatives and military families to support a Democratic ticket because of their principles and not party loyalty is a huge change in political discourse and practice after 8 years of fear-mongering; willingness to negotiate and use diplomacy abroad, an improved image in the world to restore our country's damaged reputation, a president who will enjoy majority support in Congress and that therefore have a chance of moving legislation forward will have an impact on taxes, the environment, energy policy (not being written by Cheney and the energy bosses), maybe a chance that No Child Left Behind will either be fully funded or substantially improved. More rational and compassionate approaches to health and welfare of the underprivileged, women and children.... I have a long list of things that can and will change with this particular candidate and a democratic majority. Oh, yeah, and the black hole that is spending on the wars and Halliburton will change, and that will free up resources for domestic issues. We could pay for health care for all with a fraction of the money being flushed in Iraq. Will our policy in Latin America change for the better? we don't know yet. What will happen with immigration? no real clear idea yet. How can we deal with this financial crisis? that will be touch. but we don't get what we want by refusing to play the game; we step up and hold our representatives feet to the fire, we generate ideas and bring pressure to bear. NW Indy, Not everything will change, including a lot of things important to me. But to say that nothing will change is hiding your head in the sand, or giving in to cynicism and despair.
Here’s what I’m hoping to celebrate after this election: Possible appointments to the Supreme Court are high on my list of things that will be dramatically improved; a 50 state netroots organizing effort that has been more successful than any in the past and which has empowered people to get involved in local races is a new thing for the Democratic party, and we won’t go away; having open conversations about race and racism, while painful, is absolutely necessary; getting fiscal conservatives and military families to support a Democratic ticket because of their principles and not party loyalty is a huge change in political discourse and practice after 8 years of fear-mongering; willingness to negotiate and use diplomacy abroad, an improved image in the world to restore our country’s damaged reputation, a president who will enjoy majority support in Congress and that therefore have a chance of moving legislation forward will have an impact on taxes, the environment, energy policy (not being written by Cheney and the energy bosses), maybe a chance that No Child Left Behind will either be fully funded or substantially improved. More rational and compassionate approaches to health and welfare of the underprivileged, women and children…. I have a long list of things that can and will change with this particular candidate and a democratic majority. Oh, yeah, and the black hole that is spending on the wars and Halliburton will change, and that will free up resources for domestic issues. We could pay for health care for all with a fraction of the money being flushed in Iraq.
Will our policy in Latin America change for the better? we don’t know yet. What will happen with immigration? no real clear idea yet. How can we deal with this financial crisis? that will be touch. but we don’t get what we want by refusing to play the game; we step up and hold our representatives feet to the fire, we generate ideas and bring pressure to bear.

]]> By: Dr. Evil http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/kstpsusa-comes-out-with-another-poll-thats-unlike-the-rest/#comment-26969 Dr. Evil Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:16:35 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=3522#comment-26969 Star Tribune Endorsements 37A - Madore (DFL) 37B - Sterner (DFL) 38A - Masin (DFL) 40A - Morgan (DFL) 41A - Erhardt (Ind) 41B - Rosenthal (DFL) 42B - Loon (GOP) 49B - Newton (DFL) 51A - Sanders (GOP) 53A - Gardner (DFL) 56A - Bunn (DFL) 56B - Swails (DFL) Star Tribune Endorsements

37A - Madore (DFL)
37B - Sterner (DFL)
38A - Masin (DFL)
40A - Morgan (DFL)
41A - Erhardt (Ind)
41B - Rosenthal (DFL)
42B - Loon (GOP)
49B - Newton (DFL)
51A - Sanders (GOP)
53A - Gardner (DFL)
56A - Bunn (DFL)
56B - Swails (DFL)

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