Knaak is up to his falsehoods again:
“We do not know that there are any ballots missing, and it is premature and simply irresponsible to suggest that they are,” attorney Fritz Knaak said in a statement.
This guy is an attorney?
Remember Coleman’s attorney, Fritz Knaak, once told reporters, “We were actually told ballots had been riding around in her car for several days, which raised all kinds of integrity questions.” That lie got circulated nationally and ended up being completely false.
And that differentiates the Coleman people from the Franken people in what way?
Nice job KH. Instead of trying to address the subject of the post, just talk about some vague generalization in hopes that everyone will forget about the current issue. Ingenious.
can he be disbarred for his lies?
I know I won’t ever look at him quite the same way when he’s on the Almanac couch as part of the political panel. He used to have credibility. See what happens when you go to work for Coleman?
Danno,
Okay, since you haven’t been paying attention here you go.
Coleman’s people promoted a rumor about ballots being in an unsecured car. Franken’s people promoted a rumor about the absentee ballot of an octogenarian being wrongfully disallowed. Both only recanted their stories when it became obvious they were lying.
Both campaigns are challenging thousands of ballots for no reason other than to make the other’s total appear smaller than it actually is. Meanwhile the pile of challenged ballots only adds more uncertainty to the count.
Both campaigns decide if they can trust the election officials in charge of the recount based on whether those officials make rulings in their favor. Not based on the merits of the decisions.
Both campaigns seem willing to challenge the state system in court if it might benefit their chances. Franken even seems willing to let the U.S. senate decide the race. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of our states system or democracy from the Franken side. Though I some how doubt he would be in favor of that possibility if the majority in the senate were different than it is right now.
The understanding of what happened with the 133 differential in Minneapolis 3-1 has changed a number of times. This from the Strib, “On Wednesday, Reichert (Minneapolis Elections Director) initially attributed the discrepancy to election workers feeding some ballots through machines twice.” So I guess Knaak believing that the election official’s statement from the day before might be accurate makes him a lier? Does that mean that the Franken attorney who called for a forensic search of the church is an anti-christian bigot now that they think the ballots are lost in the warehouse?
Both these candidates and campaigns are complete frauds and the only thing either has ever cared about is winning the election. The entire race has been and continues to be a perfect example of why both parties are worse than worthless.
i would never call republicans worthless. they can always be used as a bad example.
I hate to apply a match to your hat …
However, you are dead wrong. The “ballots being fed twice” canard has since been clearly de-bunked. The election officials have clearly established that ballots are missing because they know how many election-night signatures there are for that precinct.
Ballots have been lost, although they have already been counted, and the election-night count should be honored. It is more accurate than the recounted total with the missing ballots. This is the more equitable result because it does not disenfranchise voters.
The Franken people have been playing it much straighter than the Coleman flacks, that much is clear.
Politicians attempting to get elected, heaven forfend. The next thing you know those Don Quiotes in the Independent Party will be trying to actually get elected and govern. Then what happens? “Dogs with cats…”
Doesn’t KH get how important a Senate seat is to either Party? Especially after 8 years of Republican misrule has left us at war, broke and jobless. We don’t need a weasel like Coleman in office selling his vote instead of supporting Minnesota and the USA.
As usual Amuseinc is offended by any sort of standards. He is just another hypocrite who is willing to lie cheat and steal to get what they want. Someone that is either so delusional or dishonest that they think that one party is pure good and the other pure evil despite the fact that they historically have few functional differences in their actions. After all, the Democrats can a hair’s breadth away from nominating a pro war candidate for president and did run somebody who supported the invasion of Iraq for senate in this state.
The fact that both Coleman and Franken are willing to disregard any sort of morals or ethics to get the senate seat is just a little taste of how they will act when either gets to Washington. That amuseinc has such disdain for for democracy when it doesn’t work in his favor really shows that he only cares about acquiring power. Not how that power is used.
Thank you amuseinc for continually providing the perfect example of what is wrong in our political system.
Wow, KH,………… sucks when people disagree with you, doesn’t it.
Great Job!
Nitro,
amuseinc never said he disagreed with me. He was just insulted that anybody would point out flaws in his “religion”. Where did I state anything that was incorrect?
Kerosen [sic] hat
YOU are what is wrong with our political system.
Because as we all know both Republicans and Democrats suck and thusly… what am I doing in this handbasket? Why is it getting warm?
Pick a side and do what you can to improve our country through the political process. It starts with getting those people who share your views elected to office. I’ve found my party and while it is not perfect it sure beats the corrupt, greed before principles Republicans.
It starts by having some sort of personal ethics. Something you have to forgo to be a Republican or Democrat. We will never get a government that behaves better in office then it does while getting elected. The problems we now face did not simply start eight years ago, nor are they the fault of one party. The problems are endemic to our system. A system that both parties exploit for their own advantage and are unwilling to change. Supporting either will only continue to take us down a path that provides nothing but failure.
We have been systematically lied to about the state of our economy for decades and neither party dares tell the truth for fear of being saddled as the cause of bad news. I work to have change things but know well enough that trying to do so through either party will fail. It always has in the past.
And lojasmo, thanks for continuing to show the depth of substance you and your arguments posses.
p.s. Politics isn’t a religion. Only a fool who never learns anything new would “pick one” and stick with while failing to be critical of it in any significant way. Okay, so I guess these days politics IS a lot like religion. Like all holy wars it is fought and supported primarily by fools and zealots for the benefit of their self appointed saints.
Again with the condemnation of both partys with some huge broad brushes, “Hat”.
What’s your point?
What are you going to do, try to convince people to just give up? Go away?
Are you convinced there is not a single elected Democrat or Republican who can make steps to make our government accountable again? Not even Kucinich? Waxman?
According to you, every Democrat or Republican has NO ethics. We get that. You hate them all, we get that too.
AND you are intellectually superior to people who disagree with you. THAT is obvious.
So what are you doing here? Might as well copy/paste every comment you’ve ever made, cuz it all sounds the same after a while, pally.
Nitro,
My point is that the parties as organizations, as organisms, are unethical. Like a gang or the mob where loyalty to the family is of primary importance. That doesn’t mean that every person that is part of either party is fundamentally unethical but that that they are to some degree supporting the problems inherent in the system. It also doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t work through either party to try and change things as they see fit. Just that they need to at the same time be willing to be critical of behavior regardless of party affiliation. As soon as somebody is willing to accept and defend unethical or hypocritical behavior because of a party label they are consciously helping to damage our community.
I have respect for people like Kucinich and Wellstone despite disagreeing with them on many subjects because they both are/were primarily driven by their own beliefs rather than party loyalty. They are both rare birds in either party.
I don’t hate people of any political stripe or philosophy. I dislike and find immoral the substance free and often dishonest arguments repeated by amuseinc, lojasmo, MDE and this site. I also believe what I do because it is, to the best of my ability to understand, accurate. It isn’t about people it is about ideas, something that is to me a very important distinction.
If people are willing to engage in a substantive way I would love that. Look through this thread, who worked harder to have a discussion based on the reasonable analysis of ideas? And of course I feel my beliefs are superior, if I didn’t I would adopt new ones. Why would anybody believe in things they feel are intellectually inferior? That does not, however, mean I believe I have any more value as a human then anybody else.
If you want to engage without the insults and sarcasm I’m more than willing.
KH you just have spent the last months questioning everything a Democrat says and accepting every piece of bunk passed off by Republican mouthpieces including the Pallin bullshit and all of sudden you are above the Fray? Pull the other one oh self proclaimed moderate who all times sees the Republican point but has questions about the integrity of Obama, the “lack” of Obama policy plans and defends Bush’s domestic policies as not being the cause of domestic economic troubles.
Strange how after the election you become Mr. Neutral… what happens once that failure in the Whitehouse is exchanged for a dynamic leader who IS going to change the direction of this country? Will you suddenly become a critic or a supporter?
Notice how all of a sudden all the conservatives insist that George Bush was never like them, didn’t do what they wanted and Obama needs to listen to them because we are a “Center Right” country? What a crock of BS, we are a nation of pragmatists who have discovered we have been lied to and duped by Conservative economic policy.
amuseinc,
What the hell are you talking about? What Palin bullshit? I never, supported McCain and Palin and in fact said I preferred Obama more than once. Do you have the ability to make a point that isn’t based on crap you make up?
Neither did I ever vote for George Bush (either generation) or Coleman in either election. Try and expand your view and accept the fact that the world isn’t black and white and not all of the 300+ million people in the country fit into the two slots you seem to have defined for them.
If you don’t agree with me at least make an effort to counter the points I make. Not ones you need to lie about me making.