1,047 voters signed in on the roster.
932 additional voters registered in person on Election Day.
35 absentee ballots were accepted in this precinct by the city.
15 absentee ballots were accepted in this precinct by the county.
That’s a total of 2,029 voters casting legal ballots and the machine tape said 2,028, which is a fairly normal discrepancy. Initial results indicated 2026 of those voted in the Presidential race and 1965 of those voted in the U.S. Senate race. In the recount today, there were only 1,896 total ballots, which is incorrect.
Where did these ballots go? There’s a list of these 2029 individual voters. I wonder which ones had their ballots go missing? Who would know where they went?
For the Mpls geographically-deficient, where is Ward 3, Precinct 1?
Here’s a map: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/about/maps/ward3_06_prec.pdf
It’s just west of the U of M - bounded by 35W on the west, University on the south, 15th on the east, and the railroad tracks behind 8th St SE on the north.
This is Dinkytown and lots of student housing
Here’s a map: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/about/maps/ward3_06_prec.pdf
It’s just west of the U of M - bounded by 35W on the west, University on the south, 15th on the east, and the railroad tracks behind 8th St SE on the north.
This is Dinkytown and lots of student housing.
Here’s another story about this precinct: http://minnesotaindependent.com/18574/residents-in-dinkytowns-chateau-highrise-had-hard-time-voting
doesnt matter..Franken is toast
Maxus, the disenfranchisement of legal citizens of their vote does not matter? Have Republicans now become Nazis, Communists or Fascists? They are following the footsteps of dictators everywhere in support of Norm Coleman? That would be so sad for the historic party of Eisenhower to become the Minnesota party of Norm Coleman sleaze.
If you are looking for missing ballots from a liberal dominated precinct, i’d check in the ass of Michael Brodkorb.
Whoa, amuseinc. Let’s not go down the Nazi path. Settle down.
Hey Aaron at the point that these Republicans are trying to not count legal votes in support of corrupt Coleman it enters the realm of dictatorship. Note that if you steal the citizens rights to govern you join these sorry excuses for political philosophy, so it is not over reaching to remind Maxus of his forebears. He’s the one who doesn’t think democracy matters…
A person who wishes to disenfranchise the vote
does NOT believe in democracy.
None of you would have cared about these votes had there been a clear winner election day. You only pretend begin to care about democracy when you perceive it to be in your benefit. The only vote that matters to you is one that helps you win.
KH,
You should speak for yourself, pally.
“You only pretend begin to care about democracy when you perceive it to be in your benefit”
Says, who….YOU?!
Why break out the broad brushes and lash out?
Could it be you love to HATE people?
So let me get this straight. The exact same precinct where election judges illegaly prevented students (probably Franken supporters) from voting is now mysteriously missing ballots, the majority of which were for Franken? Interesting…..
Nitro,
You are right, I was overly broad. Those that only complain now about missing ballots and the problems in our system or belittle independent voters are the people towards which my last post should have been directed.
KH: Whether or not people would care had the race been clear in the beginning is irrelevant to this conversation. People care now, and it matters now. If Coleman had won by 40,000 votes, would we be trying as hard to figure out if 133 votes went missing in Minneapolis? Probably not, but we would still know the intent of the voters in Minnesota overall, wouldn’t we? In this case it’s more important to get the details right, because the details are at the heart of this election. This logic should be easy for anyone to grasp. It’s not that voters in more easily determined elections don’t matter as much, but that their races don’t depend on knowing the exact count.
What is going on with the Sec State daily update results? Not including challenges, Franken already has several thousand more votes in the recount than were counted on election day, and there are still a couple of % yet to be counted. He is also quite a ways ahead of Coleman. Granted, there are still some 60000 votes to be counted, but something interesting is happening there.
This is why the Feds need to implement universal registration with state/country-wide databases. Also, it’s not perfect, but we should all just go to vote-by-mail. No more polling places. No more lines. Vote from the comfort of your own home while reading a voters pamphlet or online guide to voting. Oregon and WA are going this way. And in every state that allows no-fault absentee voting, the people “speak” by choosing this in increasing numbers every year.
If you coupled the all-vote-by-mail system, universal registration with with centralized, secure, well-maintained voting facilities (one per county, max) you’d probably cut 80% of the number of problems/errors we have now.
The only way to get rid of the inherent issue that people can’t “perfectly” fill out out optical scan ballots would then be to let people print their ballots via a computer. You get a special security envelope (just like now), and only one, so you can’t go sending in 10 ballots, no matter how many you print. But the computer makes sure your ballot is “perfect”. But doesn’t store the data (so no security risks there). Could even combine with a computer-readable barcode to make it faster for the machines to read, but still provide human-form readable bubbles and what-not for hand-recounting when necessary.
Boom, problems solved.
I’m thinking that churches can no longer be polling places. You can’t trust them or the people that work there.
Nobody is suggesting that voters be disenfranchised. What needs to be added is that the 133 so called “missing” ballots are not missing. The election judges and city staff searched high and low yesterday to find the ballots but concluded that 133 write-in ballots were counted twice on election day thereby creating the impression of an extra 133 voters.
I agree with Jeffity but for very different reasons.
Agreed with Danno. That is why KH we all care about these ballots in the first place, because we never would have heard about them in the first place if it hadn’t been for the recount.
If they can’t find the ballots then they should void the recount for that precinct. Just go with the machine tape tally from election day. That would be more accurate (and fairer) than just throwing out the votes from the missing ballots.
In Maplewood didn’t they end up with more votes than had signed in on the rosters? How accurate are the rosters typically?
Anybody that only became concerned with the actual working of our “democracy” now that it might benefit their preferred candidate have very little credibility. Before the election it seemed some were quick to accuse anybody that questioned the integrity of our system and wanted to implement a more universal set of standards as simply trying to disenfranchise particular demographics of voters. Now that pointing out the problems in the system will benefit their candidate there is a chorus of how that lack of standards is going to disenfranchise those same voters.
If democracy, and giving a voice to the amazingly diverse population we have in this state and country, were the real goal we wouldn’t be just hearing these complaints now. Changing the mechanics of how our government works and they systems determined to gage the preferences of the population would be higher up the priority list during other times. The truth is that both parties, and many of their supporters, are only worried about maintaining power and eliminating competition. The value of democracy is only mentioned when it is to their benefit.
You’ll excuse me if I find the communal deathbed conversion of dubious sincerity.
KH
I don’t think your description is characteristic of any democrat on this site, or anybody in the Franken campaign.
Just think, all this election stuff has been going on, probably for years, and yet “there has never been any voter fraud” and we always trusted that voting was handled in an honest and fair manner. Ballots appearing out of nowhere or disappearing, hundreds tossed out, etc. and it has all been just fine, no one knew, and no one cared.
the 60000 votes to recount are mostly GOP..so settle down..Franken will lose..again.
There is actually no way for the GOP to win. Even if Coleman is elected by 100 votes he faces an ethics probe the second he sets foot in Washington… they may boot him for that. He might be able to explain $75,000 given to his wife by a political supporter for a no-show job, that could prove interesting. If not I am certain that Harry “The Horsetrader” Reid will have a little sitdown with our extremely buyable Senator Coleman… I wonder what the opportunist could be offered in money and power from a Democratically controlled Senate and Whitehouse? Seems he traded Democratic blue for Republican red before and probably still has the DFL suits in his closet.
All in all the Minnesota GOP should look up the term “Cat’s Paw” real soon.
Tom a. This would be election fraud, not voter fraud.
Lojasmo stated “I don’t think..”
I believe him.
Wow, Really? really laid down a zinger.
What a typical right wing guy thing to say, Really?
Thanks for representing!
Nitro, You are welcome. No, zingers and name calling are not typical at all for the right. Intelligent, rational discouse usually is.
For the left, name calling is SOP. Just look at Lojasmo’s name-calling posts and you will see. Also Amuseinc and Yoni C. in this thread. Even your response to KH tried to brand him a Hater. The hate (usually out of frustration with a lack of facts or logic) comes from the left, not the right.
But hey, why Lojasmo opens a door that wide, I had to step through. Happy Friday to you.
I am obligated to cut Nitro some slack though he would undoubtedly not request any. I admit going beyond the boundaries of good taste with him while he was posting under a different moniker.
I find it absolutely incredible that representatives of the “party orf personal responsibility” that has shown none, the party of “ownership society”, the party who has shown nothing but off the charts arrogant hubris, the party that owns an army of talking point repeating trolls, the party who has LOST ALL CREDIBILITY, continues to pretend people actually give a rats ass anymore what your opinion an anything is.
After the past eight years of talking point crap do you really think anyone is listening to you when you act like more of the same?
The only ones who listen to you with anything other than using you, Really?, as a source of ridicule are those of that dwindling typical right wing base that you represent.
That would be 18% of the country, I’m guessing, a number thats shrinking fast.
“No, zingers and name calling are not typical at all for the right. Intelligent, rational discouse usually is.”
Thats the craziest thing you’ve said yet. How out of touch with reality are you, Really?
Good grief.
The Rightwing is the same bunch that think the word salad thrown out by Governor Pallin is meaningful. You don’t get much farther from “Intelligent, rational discouse” or discourse if you will.
Sad really what has become of the Republican Party. It used to be the party of Eisenhower, now it is the party of Larry Craig, Duke Cunningham, Foley and the newest to be indicted Coleman. Watching the Minnesota GOP do backflips over that weasel is disgusting, they actually think he cares about them.