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I’d have to say the same thing if the (certified) results had shown Coleman ahead.

With that said, however, I would very much like to see a 2nd Senator representing Minnesota, and I think that person should be Arne Carlson until every last election issue is resolved to a reasonable person’s judgment.

I’m jealous since ours are in -gasp- high school (almost college, next year!). If we can scrape enough money together to get her to college, that is… it’ll be sad when smart kids can’t go to college, now that I am venting. This might already be happening…

Side note: I think the best time to hold representatives accountable is not during a campaign, however, but while they are acting on our behalf… and if the issue is important enough to bring up during a campaign, so be it… but you run the risk of electing the ‘other’ candidate.

Since we’re talking about the structure of our government, let’s use the big doc to discuss our recount now in process? Is it democratic to have an open seat? I say no.

http://www. dot usconstitution dot net/const.html

Article I, Section 5:

… Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

Amendment 17

…When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

(end of copy)

I say: Let’s get that writ (Feb 6th?) so we can have representation Otherwise it ISN’T DEMOCRATIC (and you win the argument).

Here it what I think the US Constitution is saying: 1. Senate members that are the ultimate judge of (Senate) elections (so in reality it can be said they decide ultimately decide their peers, perhaps) and 2. the appropriate State offical can write a writ of election to temporarily fill a vacancy. (We would be smart to take note of the 17th Amendment which changed some original text regarding the Senate).

I never meant to claim that what does not include democratic elements, just that the overarching framework is not a democracy, representative or otherwise. The fact that states select federal representatives via popular vote (sort of) does not change the underlying fact that they are representatives within a republic. As Benjamin Franklin reportedly said when asked “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” as he left the Constitutional Convention in 1787, “A Republic, if you can keep it.” Many things have changed from that time but the basic framework supposedly remains.

The pop-civics view that promotes the idea that we are first and foremost a democracy does so without attachment to either facts or history. It seems to promote democracy as some sort of panacea that will ensure people are treated fairly without acknowledging the very real issues involved with that form of government. The truth is democratic control without strict enforcement of individual rights through some larger, and predominant, framework will always devolve into oligarchy of some variety. Where those in power are able to use their resources to manipulate public opinion to maintain that power. I don’t believe there is a conspiracy of any sort, just that over the decades this is where we ended up. A nation designed as an imperfect republic that has evolved into a oligarchy with a democratic pretense. It never has been primarily a democracy at the federal level.

We also have a republic, which is defined as “a state or country that is not led by a hereditary monarch but in which the people (or at least a part of its people)have an impact on its government”

So I don’t think it is either or, we have both. Let’s put it this way: At 30,000 feet, it is a republic. The method of how we govern ourselves, at more like 10,000 feet, is a representative democracy.