Comments on: Pressure Builds For Norm To Concede http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/ Tracking Minnesota Politics Since 2005 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:17:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: CMan http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30968 CMan Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:49:41 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30968 Rick--Thankfully we have had Republican Governors to balance things out (but Arne may as well put a D behind his name) and Ventura (Independent) had some right ideas but was a boondoggle of a candidate. I really didn't think that after the Ventura experiment, MN could ever elect an even more unqualified candidate like Franken. But that just shows you where ideology has gotton us. And thank you for putting in the small line about recent presidential elections, because as goes the way the state votes for their president, so goes the leaning of the state. If you want to highlight the Republican voting record of MN, from 1860 - 1932 we were red. Since then (with a couple of exceptions we're blue as blue. Here are the lat 10 presidential elections: 1972 Nixon in a landslide 1976 Carter 1980 Carter 1984 Mondale (the only state and DC) 1988 Dukakis 1992 Clinton 1996 Clinton 2000 Gore 2004 Kerry 2008 Obama Rick — Thankfully we have had Republican Governors to balance things out (but Arne may as well put a D behind his name) and Ventura (Independent) had some right ideas but was a boondoggle of a candidate. I really didn’t think that after the Ventura experiment, MN could ever elect an even more unqualified candidate like Franken. But that just shows you where ideology has gotton us. And thank you for putting in the small line about recent presidential elections, because as goes the way the state votes for their president, so goes the leaning of the state. If you want to highlight the Republican voting record of MN, from 1860 - 1932 we were red. Since then (with a couple of exceptions we’re blue as blue. Here are the lat 10 presidential elections:

1972 Nixon in a landslide
1976 Carter
1980 Carter
1984 Mondale (the only state and DC)
1988 Dukakis
1992 Clinton
1996 Clinton
2000 Gore
2004 Kerry
2008 Obama

]]> By: Rick http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30966 Rick Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:52:46 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30966 CSM, One can, and and the facts do, dispute your claim that Minnesota has always been a DFL State. In fact the Democrats or Liberals as it used to be called in the Lege have only gained power since the 1970's, prior to that the state was strongly Republican. In the last 20 or so years Control of the State Senate and House has gone back forth between the parties and the DFL has not elected a Governor since Rudy Perpich (Carlson x2, Ventura, TPaw x2). It fits your distorted view to think that "MN has been and always will be a DFL state", but for other than relatively recent Presidential voting, the evidence, like Normy's claims, just isn't there. CSM,
One can, and and the facts do, dispute your claim that Minnesota has always been a DFL State. In fact the Democrats or Liberals as it used to be called in the Lege have only gained power since the 1970’s, prior to that the state was strongly Republican. In the last 20 or so years Control of the State Senate and House has gone back forth between the parties and the DFL has not elected a Governor since Rudy Perpich (Carlson x2, Ventura, TPaw x2). It fits your distorted view to think that “MN has been and always will be a DFL state”, but for other than relatively recent Presidential voting, the evidence, like Normy’s claims, just isn’t there.

]]> By: Cman http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30952 Cman Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:57:28 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30952 I will do the best I can to respond about the make up of the canvassing board. I will not disagree that it could have been a lot worse for a Coleman backer. That said, Republican or Independent "appointed" has only mild relevance to the board in my opinion. I don't claim to understand why, but judges appointed to high courts tend to move left once they are seated. The best example is the US Supreme Court that should have been loaded to the right in the past (before the last two Bush appointments) with all of the Republican appointments. But, in numerous cases, those judges have not voted in line with the conservative view. One cannot dispute the point of my original post that MN is and always has been a DFL state and the head of the canvassing board is far to the left. I do not want to see this draw out for months. The only reason I want to see what happens in court is to see if some of the things that are being discussed here are factual or not. I do not know and I don't think most of us here do. The court in many of its findings was not giving Franken a free pass, but saying some of these things need a court to resolve. This was always headed there no matter who came out on top. How many here can honestly say if Coleman had the 225 vote edge, "Darn! Well good luck Norm"? I will do the best I can to respond about the make up of the canvassing board. I will not disagree that it could have been a lot worse for a Coleman backer. That said, Republican or Independent “appointed” has only mild relevance to the board in my opinion. I don’t claim to understand why, but judges appointed to high courts tend to move left once they are seated. The best example is the US Supreme Court that should have been loaded to the right in the past (before the last two Bush appointments) with all of the Republican appointments. But, in numerous cases, those judges have not voted in line with the conservative view. One cannot dispute the point of my original post that MN is and always has been a DFL state and the head of the canvassing board is far to the left.

I do not want to see this draw out for months. The only reason I want to see what happens in court is to see if some of the things that are being discussed here are factual or not. I do not know and I don’t think most of us here do. The court in many of its findings was not giving Franken a free pass, but saying some of these things need a court to resolve. This was always headed there no matter who came out on top. How many here can honestly say if Coleman had the 225 vote edge, “Darn! Well good luck Norm”?

]]> By: lojasmo http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30950 lojasmo Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:34:10 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30950 I would like to know how one known democrat, two republican appointed judges, one independence party appointed judge, and one judge elected in a nonpartisan election makes up two democrats. I would like to know how one known democrat, two republican appointed judges, one independence party appointed judge, and one judge elected in a nonpartisan election makes up two democrats.

]]> By: Nitro http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30947 Nitro Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:27:34 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30947 CMan: <i>"It’s just that I am more grounded than you!"</i> Since you, CMan, are obviously more grounded than people you disagree with, perhaps you could explain how a canvassing board made up of 2 democrats, 2 republicans and 1 independent, “leans left”. Educate us. CMan: “It’s just that I am more grounded than you!”

Since you, CMan, are obviously more grounded than people you disagree with, perhaps you could explain how a canvassing board made up of 2 democrats, 2 republicans and 1 independent, “leans left”.

Educate us.

]]> By: lojasmo http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30945 lojasmo Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:32:35 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30945 It was actually one democrat (ritchie) two republican appointed judges, one independent appointed judge, and one judge elected in a nonpartisan election. It was actually one democrat (ritchie) two republican appointed judges, one independent appointed judge, and one judge elected in a nonpartisan election.

]]> By: CMan http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30944 CMan Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:09:27 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30944 Randy--If you saw the world the way I do, you would agree with me. If I saw the world the way you do, I would agree with you. But, we don't and won't, so I see little chance of that. It's just that I am more grounded than you! Randy — If you saw the world the way I do, you would agree with me. If I saw the world the way you do, I would agree with you. But, we don’t and won’t, so I see little chance of that. It’s just that I am more grounded than you!

]]> By: Randy http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30939 Randy Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:32:56 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30939 CMan, if "every single and solitary issue went to Franken (which is not true, BTW)" perhaps that is a reflection of the weakness of Coleman's arguments, rather than any bias on the part of the Canvassing Board. CMan, if “every single and solitary issue went to Franken (which is not true, BTW)” perhaps that is a reflection of the weakness of Coleman’s arguments, rather than any bias on the part of the Canvassing Board.

]]> By: Rick http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30934 Rick Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:21:20 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30934 It is important to remember that SoS Ritchie asked the Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court (Magnuson) to name the 2 canvassing board members from the Supreme Court and the Chief Judge of Ramsey County District Court to name the members for that portion of the board. It was not a left leaning canvassing board as has been alleged by some. The only evidence of bias is a subjective view of the decisions made by the canvassing board seen through partisan eyes. It was within Ritchie's power under the State Constitution to name anyone he he wanted from the State Supreme Court and the District Court. In the name of bi-partisanship, he left those decisions to others and got an impartial canvassing board as a result. Anyone who says otherwise is just plain full of it. It is important to remember that SoS Ritchie asked the Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court (Magnuson) to name the 2 canvassing board members from the Supreme Court and the Chief Judge of Ramsey County District Court to name the members for that portion of the board. It was not a left leaning canvassing board as has been alleged by some. The only evidence of bias is a subjective view of the decisions made by the canvassing board seen through partisan eyes. It was within Ritchie’s power under the State Constitution to name anyone he he wanted from the State Supreme Court and the District Court. In the name of bi-partisanship, he left those decisions to others and got an impartial canvassing board as a result. Anyone who says otherwise is just plain full of it.

]]> By: Pete http://mnpublius.com/2009/01/pressure-builds-for-norm-to-concede/#comment-30930 Pete Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:36:05 +0000 http://mnpublius.com/?p=4398#comment-30930 CMan, please explain how a canvassing board made up of 2 democrats, 2 republicans and 1 independent, "leans left". CMan, please explain how a canvassing board made up of 2 democrats, 2 republicans and 1 independent, “leans left”.

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