Congressional District 1 Minnesota 7,800
Congressional District 2 Minnesota 9,200
Congressional District 3 Minnesota 8,300
Congressional District 4 Minnesota 7,700
Congressional District 5 Minnesota 7,900
Congressional District 6 Minnesota 9,500
Congressional District 7 Minnesota 7,500
Congressional District 8 Minnesota 8,100
Notice two things about this chart: First, the top three districts in terms of jobs created are the 6th, the 2nd and the 3rd. Those districts also happen to be the only three districts in Minnesota represented by Republicans. If that weren’t enough, Bachmann’s own district stands to benefit the most from the stimulus bill!
Thanks to Bluestem Prairie for the fact-check.
Bachmann has little use for the truth. It gets in the way of her wingnuttery.
I know it is a divisive thought but don’t you think that the way a congresscritter voted on the bill should be taken into account when this is distributed? Something about that old American political saying… “To the victor go the spoils.”
CUE Republicans who agreed with Dick Cheney that deficits don’t matter then but now think deficits are the worst thing ever.
Too bad the Daily Show is on vacation this week. Ken Avidor pick out some great material when he made those clips.
I wish her PR director would get on the ball and schedule more interviews, a lot more.
amuseinc, I agree. That old political saying was pursed on the repubs’s lips for automatic return-fire, when they were criticized for doing the same thing back in the dark ages (i.e. Bush admin).
Hey right-wingers, HYPOCRISY IS NOT A VIRTUE.
Did anyone see COUNTDOWN last night???
The segment is all over You Tube, Democratic Underground, EVERYWHERE!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=273697&mesg_id=273697
The lies that come out of this woman’s mouth are unbelievable. The sad thing is, there are people who worship this woman and believe every word out of her mouth is true!!!
As Mr.T would often say…”I pity the fool.”
More Michele Bachmann Lies!!
FALSE: ACORN is recieving $5 Billion is Stimulus Money!!!
TRUW: ACORN is not recieving one cent in Stimulus money!!
FALSE!! ACORN is under Federal Indictment!!
TRUE: Several employees of ACOTN are under investigation for alleged Voter Registration Fraud. NOT the organization itself!!
FALSE: The Stimulus Package is a payoff for Obama’s Democrat allies!!
TRUE: The Stimulus is designed to aid Americans, businesses, etc., thus increase needed spending for infrastructure.
FALSE: Washington is becoming a ONE PARTY SYSTEM!!
TRUE: Because of the lack of real leadership in the GOP and the rejection by voters of what the extreme Right Wing of the Party stands for, more Democrats are getting elected.
These are just some of the outright lies that spew from this woman’s mouth. Thank GOD she is not representing me.
@ Kathy
Does that mean you weep for those of us who do have her as our rep?
I’ve never been a fan of Bachmann, but I think it would be more accurate to measure where the dollars are going than where someeone estimates the jobs will be created. They aren’t one in the same.
Besides, at an average cost of $300,000 per new job created, do you really want to make this all about someone’s job forecast? It is a spending bill, plain and simple.
$300,000 per job. They had better be some damn impressive jobs, Mr. Obama. Good luck with that.
DantheMan,
“$300,000 per job. They had better be some damn impressive jobs, Mr. Obama. Good luck with that.”
Thank you for repeating the expected right wing talkingpoint barrage.
So that $300,000 per job, is that for salaries only?
If you are building a bridge that costs $3,000,000, do you calculate how efficient your spending is by dividing the $3,000,000 by how many people are hired to build the bridge?
Just wondering, rightie. You make me sick.
Then don’t make it about job creation. It isn’t. It is about spending, and perhaps that is OK. But it is about spending, plain and simple.
If it was about job creation, there would be 50 better ways to spend a trillion feakin dollars.
So perhaps Ms. Bachmann was referring to where the money would be spent, because this is, after all, one big, big, fat, fat, porky spending bill.
Sorry I make you sick. I’m not trying to. I respect your opinion, even though I think defending this spending bill is indefensible. 100%.
DtM, what kind of tool are you?
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act spends well over one-third on tax relief. Before you start with the GOP line, people who work hard also pay payroll taxes, even if they are refunded other taxes. So ‘tax relief’ is the proper term. The next biggest part is state and local government relief. Guess who pays for the deficit there anyway? That money will help sustain employment.
What is it with you Republicans always ready to lick the boots of the the wealthy and so ready kick the working class around on behalf of the upper class.
Is there something about a hard day’s work that seem un-American to you guys?
LOLS “indefensible”, are you troubled, is it troubling? Are the seeds of doubt being sown? The word “indefensible” coming from the right is an empty, hollow shell of a word.
Let me ask you this.
Where is money spent more efficiently, DantheMan?
Company “A” that considers profit as the only important goal, or Company “B” that is more about service and quality than greed?
I think it’s important to consider that argument when discussing how efficiently our tax dollars are being spent.
Let’s look at the past 8 years.
Where did all the money go? Where did America’s prosperity go? If we’re all out of money, and credit, where did all the money go? I’m not talking about tax dollars either, lets say all of Americas wealth, where did it go? Is it gone?
Did it just disappear?
The past ten years, did more of it go to company “A”, or company “B”? Then where did it go? Why is it gone?
Guess what DantheMan, America was told to spend, spend, spend as part of Bush’s recovery plan after 9/11.
Where did all that money go?
Bachmann represents you perfectly, DantheMan.
MRW
Yes!! I cry for those represented by non-Representative Michele Bachmann. Even the Republican onstituents becuase they should have known better than to re-elect her.
She has refused to lift a finger to better the 6th Congressional District, such as her refusal to seek needed Federal monies to replace the DeSoto Bridge in St. Cloud. Her voting record reflects where she stands on issues.
Then Bachmann bitches that Federal monies are going to “Democrat controlled” districts than Republican held ones. That’s due in part other Reps are doing their jobs for the people who elected them.
Yes!! i cry for the people in the 6th CD!!!
DtM-
I never heard you bitch and moan about Bush’s stimulus package, which was 70% more costly than this one.
Also, Your $300,000/job argument is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever seen you type here..and that’s saying a lot. This is an economic stimulus package, not a jobs package.
Its pretty pathetic that people like this woman can hold public office.
I don’t cry for the fools in her district that DID vote for her. They deserve all the misfortune they
heap upon themselves - after all we hear the same thing from the right about everyone else.
They want to whine, but will take the money & run.
Which is a parasitic subsistence.
She’s crazy, but will she take the money?
DTM repeats false talking points just like Bachmann.
Okay, let’s do the reporters’ work for them. First, where do the Republicans get this number? They divide the the $825 billion cost of the stimulus by 3 million jobs that President Obama had originally pledged.
Their arithmetic is right but both numbers are wrong. First, the projections from the Obama team is that their package will create 4 million jobs, not 3 million. Furthermore, it is important to note that this over 2 years, not one year.
The cost is also wrong, or at least misleading. If we assume that the stimulus will work as planned, then it will boost GDP by approximately 1.5 times the amount of spending or $620 billion a year. If GDP rises by this amount, then it will translate into roughly $155 billion a year in higher taxes/lower spending than if we didn’t do the stimulus. This is money that should be subtracted from the cost to the taxpayers.
So, if net out the increased revenue from the growth generated by the stimulus we end up with a 2-year cost of $515 billion which will generate roughly 8 million job-years. That comes to about $65k per job year, less than one-fourth of the Republicans’ number.
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=01&year=2009&base_name=basic_stimulus_arithmetic
“As the debate over President Obama’s economic stimulus plan gets under way, one thing is certain: many of the plan’s opponents aren’t arguing in good faith. … The true cost per job of the Obama plan will probably be closer to $100,000 than $275,000 — and the net cost will be as little as $60,000 once you take into account the fact that a stronger economy means higher tax receipts.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/opinion/26krugman.html?_r=3&ref=opinion
I should also point out that this is true nationally as well. Nate Silver has the scoop at 538.com Republican districts benefit more greatly all over the US.
Red states are welfare states. This bill doesn’t change that.
@ SeanH
Boom. Roasted > DtM
“Where is money spent more efficiently, DantheMan?”
Give any employer in America, or anyone who wants to start a new business (this includes a college or university, hospital, etc., in addition to the “big, bad, businessman”) a $20,000 tax credit for each new employee they hire and keep on payroll for at least 1 year. Businesses won’t hire that employee unless it is a smart business move, i.e. long-term gain for them, so it won’t be a “one year and done” scenario. Stipulate of course that the job has to be on American soil employing an American worker.
We could add 20 million jobs for $400 million. 5 times the jobs (using Sean’s rich number) for less than 1/2 the price.
If if you still feel the need to spend closer to a trillion freakin dollars, do the tax cut as well.
The mainstream media wonders why people are abandoning newspapers and tv “news” for the internets. Gee, I wonder why? Can someone show me a local MSM outlet that has covered this story about a sitting member of the Minnesota Congressional delegation blatantly lying on-air? Please — just one link. None? Didn’t think so. This is a story that has occurred right here in Minnesota, yet no one from our esteemed local political reporters has seen fit to call Bachmann’s office themselves and ask her for her sources of “information.” Where’s Mr. Big Shot Eric Eskola — the one who turns his nose up at the suggestion that bloggers and internet journalists aren’t “real” journalists? Bald-face lies from a member of Congress, spewed on some radio shouter’s show who advocates the use of machine guns on political protesters, and the local media is MIA. Is it any wonder that extremist liars like Bachmann have stolen the GOP and are able to have their way with what’s left of the party?
DtM,
Businesses won’t hire employees unless there is a financial reason to do so, such as the need to expand. So giving a bunch of businesses tax credits to hire people that they don’t actually need because the economy sucks won’t create jobs. There needs to be an external driving force other than just companies receiving money.
You might want to give credit where credit is due. Ken Avidor was the one who originally got this story:
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2009/02/bachmann-were-running-out-of-rich.html
DtM,
I regret some of the vitriol towards you. However, giving more money to corporations, your beloved trickle down, does not and has not worked!
In the great country of America, if there is demand for something, entrepreneurs will find a way to fill the need, whether you give them a tax break or not. If there is not a demand for something, then they are not going to hire someone anyone no matter what the stimulus. Corporate tax cuts will go to the same place as ours, to pay down their debt, or increase their own profit. They will not magically reinvest when there is no demand. Supply side is dead Dan. Sorry.
Take care,
Alec
So “Government” creates demand?
And Government is Us. Funding by you and I.
So is it demand if you and I lay out our money on a table and then shift it all around? I think not.
DtM is one of the last Reagan deciples left on the planet. His beloved Saint Ronnie could do no wrong and the United States was a shining city on a hill. A beacon of hope and possibility for the world. Not to mention a moral example for all.
Trouble is, that was all a complete fiction. Reagan was a criminal and a thug. His policies destroyed Central America and his policies were directly responsible for the deaths of 300,000 people. DtM and his corrupt crew don’t like to remember little details like that. In fact, they’ve created this mythical beast called Reagan who is endowed with wisdom and intelligence and morals, essentially everything the real Reagan lacked. This includes the history of the economy under his criminal regime.
Richard is right about Reagan. Of course FDR’s policies knowingly sent hundreds of thousands to their deaths at the hands of Stalin after the war, Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon had policies that caused even more death in Southeast Asia. All proceeded the great progressive mind of Teddy Roosevelt who really kicked the United States down the path of gunboat diplomacy. Those that favor a strong central authority, for whatever ideal, enable these actions.
So Dan are you saying that a person with a government job, who spends their salary domestically, has no multiplier effect? The same guy on his second job in the private sector spends his pay and does have a multiplier effect? Only private sector adds to the common good with jobs? You must agree with that Oreo leading your party that “government has never created a job” and firemen are on welfare.
In even more magical Republican economics, the corporation and stockholders when given tax breaks immediately use that money investing in domestic factories instead of shipping that liquid capital to the lowest wage country, just short of slavery, they can find. You know like the Republican supported forced abortions and labor camp factories of the Micronesian island of Saipan.
And even more Republican unicorn farts, the rich investor who gets an extra $100,000 tax break doesn’t just add a few zeros to a bank account but rather always spends it on more things he really needs like a new yacht, made, designed and sold domestically.
Trickle down theory is the economics equivalent of Republican senile dementia but less benign.
nice to see amuseinc just go straight to the racism. It suits him.
Yep, as we all know that liberals are really the racists… Republican buffoons like Michael “Fools No One” Steele are the real deal.
WHY JUST TODAY…
GOP head Michael Steele promises PR blitz in ‘hip-hop settings’ and for ‘one-armed midgets’
BY CELESTE KATZ, RICHARD SISK AND DAVID SALTONSTALL DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS Updated Friday, February 20th 2009, 1:36 AM
SNIP
New GOP party chief Michael Steele is promising an “off the hook” public relations blitz into “urban-suburban hip-hop settings” in hopes of wooing Latinos and African-Americans.
Steele, the first African-American Republican boss, hopes to sign up Americans of all stripes - a point he underscored with an odd, politically incorrect jab.
“We need to uptick our image with everyone, including one-armed midgets,” he joked.
SNIP
Since the real GOP leader Rush is a drug addled fool perhaps the rest of that party has decided to follow suit, or is there another rationale for a Republican “Magic Negro?”
This guy is presently the head of the GOP…
http://centerblue.org/2006/09/23/md-sen-republicans-anonymous-steele-campaigns-as-a-democrat/
amusinc is a absolute and complete idiot besides being a racist.
I know little about Steele and think Rush is an idiot. Neither did I ever imply that all of any group is racist, only a bigot would do that.
The fact that amuseinc, the individual, attempts to excuse his racism by saying it is alright because somebody he doesn’t like is one as well shows his lack of ability to think rationally.
Government can exist because of the private sector. If it wasn’t for the tax base generated from private sector income, property, and investments, there would be no fire department, no VA, no bailouts, no nothing.
If Government ran because it taxed government employees so it could run goverment and tax them some more so it could run more government……… well, you ever do a spreadsheet and get a “circular logic error”? Same thing.
Government is an expense. Don’t get me wrong, it is a necessary expense and I AM WILLING TO PAY TO HAVE GOVERNMENT SERVICES IN MY LIFE (people here seem to forget that, think I am a fiscal libertarian). But to say you can “invest” in government, that government creates permanent demand…. well, completely flawed. I’ll take trickle down.
DantheMan,
“I’ll take trickle down.”
Unfortunately for all of us, everyone in America has been forced to take “trickle down” since Reagan. We’ve all heard these arguments of yours for 25 years.
A lot of people have discovered what actually trickles down the legs of the wealthy class, and it’s not money.
I’d say my standard of living has increased more since 1980 than those living in socialist countries. Call me crazy.
You guys got off topic in a hurry.
As long as Michele Bachmann continues to draw breath, she will continue to lie.
Michelle is a nutcase. So is Coleman.
Kathy, thanks for getting us back on topic.
I agree, Bachmann does a poor job of speaking for Minnesotans. I’d love for her to get beat in a primary or general by a moderate.
DantheMan,
“I’d say my standard of living has increased more since 1980 than those living in socialist countries.”
Prove it. Your words are meaningless, considering their source.
As a resident of the 6th district it just sickens me to have to read about her craziness through the blogs online. Why doesn’t any of this ever hit the mainstream media? The reason she got re-elected last time is that people just did not believe the lefts assertions that she was a dangerous idiot. Voters actually believed she was being badly mistreated regarding her “mistatements” on HardBall or that we were even lying about what she said since she denied it publicly. She is supported mostly by the crazies on the religious far right and by oil companies. Much of her financial support comes from outside of Minnesota. Isn’t there anything we can do to get rid of her?
Dan I suppose Norway, Sweden and a host of other so-called socialist countries don’t count in your eyes?
CRAZY
CRAZY
CRAZY MICHELLE BACHMANN!!!!!!!
CRAZY.
CRAZY for being so, C-R-A-Z-Y.
Crazy Michelle Bachmann.
What else can you say about this woman? Lying & Crazy.
Why would people vote for her? I fear for their sanity.