Asked about the White House-backed cap-and-trade proposal to reduce carbon emissions, Bachmann told WWTC 1280 AM, “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people — we the people — are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States.”
Is Bachmann calling for an armed revolution against the government? I think they have a word for that…oh yeah…treason.
Huff Post credited local blogs Smart Politics and Dump Bachmann for this.
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2009/03/michele_bachmann_on_dc_im_a_fo_1.php
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2009/03/another-michele-bachmann-radio-eruption.html
Is this why guns and ammo have been flying off the shelves since November?
As Thomas Jefferson so aptly put it 222 years ago….
“There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”
So, Zack, are you dissing Michelle or one of the Founding Fathers?
If the government (you know, the one of, by, and for THE PEOPLE) attempts to completely change this country (and screw THE PEOPLE) through a horrendous energy tax program, causing the price of EVERYTHING to rise dramatically and changing the way WE THE PEOPLE live (and confiscating a good portion of our wealth in the meantime), it is up to WE THE PEOPLE to change the government. That is not called treason - it is our absolute RIGHT and DUTY as citizens.
CMan - yes, it is.
Seems to me that calling for the violent overthrow of the legal government of the United States needs to be addressed. I do not want would be Timothy McVeighs to be incited by the rhetoric of a Congresswoman. And if they quote the Founding Father doesn’t matter. The voters of the United States went to the polls and elected our President and representatives. No one has the right to call for treason against our lawful government and should be stopped.
I also suggest that she read the 14th Amendment Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States of America… the law of the land since Amendment 14 was ratified 7/9/1868.
“3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
To suggest that citizens be “armed and dangerous” over something as minor as a tax increase of less than 4% is stupid. To use such language means that this individual could easily be “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against our government. Perhaps she should be taken to Gitmo to explain herself?
Gitmo for both Bachmann and Cheney. They are both calling for their crazies to come out of their basements and start killing liberals and bombing government buildings.
They have sided with terrorism in this encouragement of violence to further their own politics.
I well remember my mothers anger when I used violent metaphors as a child. Us siblings got in big trouble just for saying “I’m gonno kill you” to each other. She wouldn’t even let us threaten to “murtilize” each other. We got sent to our rooms for threatening to “pound” each other.
Today, I never threaten violence against people I disagree with. I wonder what Michelles mother thinks about her abusive language.
Good God, you’re a fucking moron. Michelle is referring to “armed and dangerous” as with information on how completely stupid and hypocritical libtards are going to get pushing their socialist/marxist agenda on America.
So let me get this straight. Your position is that if an elected government raises taxes, you have the right to kill people?
Changing the government through voting is one thing. Armed rebellion is another.
I think the FBI may want to have a conversation with you. And perhaps with Michele Bachmann, too.
Really -
I do not agree with everything the founding fathers thought. For instance, I do not agree with the institution of slavery. I’ll gladly “diss” both Michele and the founding fathers when I think they say something absurd. T.J. was a pretty bright guy, but he didn’t get everything right.
If the government does something you don’t agree with, you have every right to vote against them during the next election. Furthermore, you have every right to march in protest, write letters to the editor or even run for office yourself. You do not have the right to take up arms against the government because the Congress passed a cap and trade. To suggest otherwise is criminal.
I said CHANGE, not overthrow.
And if you read Michelle’s statement, nowhere did she say overthrow.
In fact, YOU are the only one who mentioned ARMED REVOLUTION. (you do it in your typical question format) And Amuseinc added VIOLENT OVERTHROW. And then Minnesota Bulldog used the word KILL. Wow, such hate speech. Seriously, take a valium.
Really, really? Bachmann said she wanted people “armed and dangerous,” because “we need to fight back” and endorsed “having a revolution” over a tax increase. The obvious implication of all those things is that people will fight and people will die. It is irresponsible for her to even imply such a thing: even if she didn’t explicitly say, “Please kill people,” that’s the natural outcome of her implication. I’m pretty surprised you’d defend such comments: they are clearly beyond the realm of acceptable political discourse.
If she had wanted to say, “I want people to get the facts and figures that support my views, because I want to stop cap-and-trade through the political pressure that an informed electorate can provide,” she could have done so, and it would not have been in the news. She made the choice to use the words “armed,” “dangerous,” and “revolution,” and she needs to be held responsible for that decision. If she had said that in an airport, she clearly would have been put under arrest. (Which, for the record, I find rather ridiculous.)
I have no interest in criminalizing political speech, but it’s not a stretch to think that some nutjob could take her words seriously and commit serious harm to others.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_115.html
“Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”
“Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so….”
Michelle Bachmann’s bizarre behavior makes the argument for gun control and dispels the notion of intelligent design. She is self destructing and she will take the reactionary elements of the far right down with her. Moderates have been purged from the Republican Party. They have preserved no voice of reason.
Whatever glorious revolution these people fantacize about will never come to pass. If there is public sentiment for rebellion, it will be a backlash against this behavior, not in support of it.
These statements of Bachmann are exceedinly ill advised. She took the following oath of office:
“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”
It is reasonable and necessary at this point to ask, as Amuseinc suggests, whether her words and actions serve to uphold that oath.
You people aren’t seriously discussing this…are you? Maybe DFLer’s comprehend differently? Maybe DFLers see certain words…and those words trigger some sort of panic enzyme or over-reaction protein in your brain? Are you all too afraid of the government you have created that you cannot see the metaphors in her statement? I mean…come on now. She clearly is not advocating an all out rebellion in the way that you folks make it sound. She uses “armed and dangerous” to say “informed and willing to shout out”. She says “having a revolution every now and again…etc” to illustrate that we need to speak out against our government when the need arises.
I am very surprised at just how far the DFL has gone to spin this. Its analogous to a pummeled and beaten boxer, who is exhausted, black and blue, and ready to fall down…who frantically and half-heartedly throws a few weak punches out of desperation.
Admit it people. The Dem party has been hammered as of late…and this is the only thing you can come up to scream about? A few “out of context” quotes from Michele Bachman? Gotta say…PRETTY WEAK!
For the record. ANY citizenry that does NOT have the power to forcibly OR peaceably remove the government that binds them is not a citizenry at all…but rather a comfortable slave. Which country is one of the worst violators of human rights on the planet? China! Do you remember, not so long ago, some students throwing ROCKS at TANKS in a SQUARE because of the outrageous actions of their government? Did anything change for those students or those citizens? It is VERY important that a government of men are fully and keenly aware of the fact that OTHER men CAN…if required…remove them with force…or with the pen. For the people who cannot stomach the thought? Do what 80% of the colonists did, during the rebellion. Go to your homes, lock the doors and windows, and wait for the courageous people to finish their work.
Lest we forget….
Republicans claiming an appreciation for metaphor - that’s a good one!
You people will dissect a statement from a democrat down to each individual syllable, looking for a way to spin it into a controversy, but turn the tables on you, and you suddenly it’s metaphorical.
P.S. STOP YELLING
Don Huizenga
“Its analogous to a pummeled and beaten boxer, who is exhausted, black and blue, and ready to fall down…who frantically and half-heartedly throws a few weak punches out of desperation”
There are many who think this describes the Republican party pretty accurately.
By the way, do you still stand by your belief in “differing intelligence among different races”?
Just wondering.
“There are many who think this describes the Republican party pretty accurately.” If by “many” you mean brain-dead libtards leftists, I agree with you.
What does Don’s comment from the past have to do with his post on the loony left’s pre-occupation with Michelle? Apparently, you have nothing important to say, so you pull up something completely unrelated…typical libtard…
Michele Bachmann is as loony as they come. Why is the local media not calling her out on her inane statements???
HAd BAchmann said this instead…”I want Americans informed regarding Climate Change,” we would not be having this discussion.
“Words in and of themselves are just words. How we use them is another story all together.” That thought brought to us by the late George Carlin from one of his classic comedy routines.
Realy?
Being that you are a right wingnut, do you agree with these Jefferson quotes, or are you dissing the founders?
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government. (Hmmm, Iraq maybe)
Thomas Jefferson
Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor - over each other. (Founders taught religious tolerance, not evangelism)
Thomas Jefferson
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. (When did you serve your time Really?)
Thomas Jefferson
I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.
Thomas Jefferson
I am an Epicurean. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greek and Roman leave to us. (WHAT, you mean our founder was NOT a Christian. Really?)
Thomas Jefferson
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
(You like this one Really? Don’t diss the founder you right wing nut)
Thomas Jefferson
I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
Thomas Jefferson
I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be. (kind of flies in the face of neocon philosophy)
My favorite, because we did not do this we are now ruled by international banks instead of elected leaders.
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
Thomas Jefferson
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty. (Jefferson would have hated the Dobson/Bachmann crowd)
Thomas Jefferson
The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force. (Why do we pay our military industrial complex more than the world combined?)
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
Excellent!
Agree.
Agree.
Agree (based on serving when called, not running your lame behind to Canada).
Agree - and sometimes it is necessary.
Agree Somewhat. He can believe what he wants, even if that belief means killing/subjugating non-believers, right up to the point that he tries to subjugate me.
I disagree, but respectfully, unlike many of you here.
Same As Above.
Agree.
Agree, along with the Aristocracy of our entrenched bureaucracy, whose power over the people is more than any corporation could ever hope to achieve.
Mostly Agree - Priests, Imams, Shamans, etc all deal in power over people.
Agree, and .03% of the population is not large.
Really?
“respectfully, unlike many of you here”
Why should anyone respect someone who shows no respect for others themselves?
Hmmm. Fomenting sedition in a time of warfare. She’ll be lucky to get off with only censure.
A better question is: What if a man had said it? Would you all yell “Crazy”? I think her statement is irresponsible, and perhaps even criminal. It sounds like she’s calling for mutany to me. Not crazy, but purposeful.
At the very least, it seems to me she’s trying to be another Rush Limbaugh, except her political position calls for more professionalism and she doesn’t seem to understand that. She’s in a position of power, and is supposed to be concerned about our welfare. Asking for people to be armed and dangerous is not being concerned about my welfare.
Bottom line: Michele Bachmann said this: “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous.” Who do we call?
Who you gonna call?
Ghostbusters.
armed and dangerous = and A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Holly (who do we call?) = Ghostbusters
C”Rush”,
Your well regulated militia will be comprised of right wing trolls, talking point repeaters, and who else?
It’s laughable, a pathetic army of moronic right wing losers who are already hated by the American people.
Good luck with that.
And you are part of an army of marxist libtards, good luck with that.
When a republican says something the words apparently mean something now?
Dems and Repubs are both crooks.
Many of you talk of “armed and dangerous” and the obvious use of force with weapons as inconsoleable.
I only HOPE that you’d CHANGE and see that any discussion like that is because it is a RESPONSIVE use of force. Your minds have been mushed by our altruistic pop culture and educational systems.
You speak of a lawful democracy voting. Would you call it lawful if we voted to tax everyone making 100K or more at 100%?
What can’t the government do in your idea?
You’ve sold your mind to the tribe at the price of clearing your unjust guilt which was only accepted by your altruistic morality.
armed and dangerous = and A well regulated Militia
Who’s doing the regulating?
That “armed and dangerous” has the exact opposite meaning of “A well regulated Militia…” Specifically it is a term used by police in describing an armed criminal who means to do damage to officers and the public. She wishes the people of Minnesota to be treated as criminals?
Since her meaning is obscure she needs to be more careful in her speech. Not because her speech is being infringed upon but rather she is a government official and speaks with more behind her than a simple citizen. To me there is no mistaking the statements of Congresswoman Bachmann. She is calling for a violent reaction to political actions. This is and always has been against the law in our country. We are a nation of laws with a Constitution and anyone who raises the idea of responses outside of the law should be punished. Civil disobedience has a long and honored tradition in America. Violence and vigilanteism does not.
Amuseinc saidTo me there is no mistaking the statements of Congresswoman Bachmann. She is calling for a violent reaction to political actions. This is and always has been against the law in our country. We are a nation of laws with a Constitution and anyone who raises the idea of responses outside of the law should be punished. Civil disobedience has a long and honored tradition in America. Violence and vigilanteism does not.
I agree with Amuseinc, except for it seems she’s calling for chaos. Good question Sean, who’s doing the regulating…? Calling for citizens to be armed and dangerous as a result of our government trying to stop a financial spriral downward is… hideous.
Can someone refresh my memory? Was she calling for armed and dangerous under Bush?
If she is suggesting militia action, maybe she’ll stop by here and tell us what is wrong with the government, what is so evil, that we must rise up and overtake the government. I still see citizens with power.
“Was she calling for armed and dangerous under Bush?”
We didn’t have a socialist running the country.
“It’s laughable, a pathetic army of moronic right wing losers who are already hated by the American people.”
Nitro — Do you have a library of responses that you can just cut and paste for all your posts?
CMan: We didn’t have a socialist running the country.
You must have forgotten what happened to the banks under Bush. Bush is the one that took the GIANT steps in the socialist direction.
Right now it’s best we go with regulated capitalism. Don’t you think?
Or are you wanting to grab your gun and hit the streets as Michele seems to call for? Be armed and dangerous?
We didn’t have a socialist running the country.
Nor do we have one now, so the question still stands.
Actually, we have worse than a socialist, we have a marxist. When the small percentage of American people who left their brains at home when they voted for Obama realize how really dangerous the libtard agenda is, the tsunami of anger and revulsion will be unstoppable.
Holly — First off I was angry with Bush and his bailout. That does not make it OK for Obama to steamroll socialism into this country. His election WAS NOT a mandate (although you would like to think it was) and poll numbers are changing every day to back that up. If your definition of socialism is “regulated capitalism” so be it.
As for Bachmann, armed means we have a right to bear arms. Dangerous means the government had better not overstep its bounds in accordance to what our founding fathers intended. If you interpret her statement as a call to arms and to hit the streets, so be it. As usual, you twist words to benefit the far left agenda.
No twisting of words, CMan. I’m just worried about her call to action and her usage of words like dangerous.
“His election WAS NOT a mandate.”
Um, actually, it was. Pretty sweeping election. Far far greater than any of Bush’s so-called victories. And either way, Obama’s not leading our country into socialism. I certainly wouldn’t count his latest banking plan as socialism: he’s practically giving away money to private investors through the profits they can make at very little risk to themselves.
C”Rush”
Just a reminder.
Just because you say things does not mean they are true.
I think most people who read your comments wonder where you think your credibility comes from, because you are certainly saying absolutely nothing other than the same old talking point divisive bullshit we’re all sick to death of.
You are apparently too idiotic to realize it, pally, but you are the mockable one here.
You are still drowning the Republican party in a bathtub, losing hearts and minds and reminding everyone what political gamesmanship used to be back in the Bush years. Where’s your strong, bold, steady leadership now, pally? Is it Rush?
Great Job!
Every word you crap out is applicable to you, libtard. You have no credibility and you certainly say absolutely nothing other than the same old talking point divisive bullshit we’re all sick to death of. You are apparently too idiotic to realize it, Nitro, but you are the mockable one here. You are still drowning the Dumbocrat party in a bathtub, losing hearts and minds and reminding everyone what political gamesmanship used to be back in the Clinton years. Where’s your strong, bold, steady leadership now, pally? Is it Pelosi? Great Job!
Michele Bachmann speaks and Liberals salivate anger…..Pavlovian I say! Please continue to come after Bachmann………….we want more of your time/money to go for naught!!!:)
“TheGipper”
“Please continue to come after Bachmann”
You enjoy making people hate Republicans, “TheGipper”.
That is very sick. Bachmann apparently represents you perfectly too.
You must enjoy making people hate libtards, Nitro.
“No twisting of words, CMan. I’m just worried about her call to action and her usage of words like dangerous.”
I’m not twisting words. I told you what I think she means by dangerous. You prefer to think (because of your hatred for the woman) that it means she is ready to hit the streets with guns blazin. One thing we learned before the election and now, is that because you would do most anything to derail Bachmann, you take her words out of context to try and hang her with them. The dems drastically tried to defeat her with the Chris Matthew’s interview before the election to no avail.
C”Man”,
“One thing we learned”
We?…..Who is the “we” you refer to?
The trolls?
No, Americans, not you Ni-Troll.
“I’m not twisting words. I told you what I think she means by…”
And that is the problem with her inflammatory rhetoric. No one, including her, seem to have a handle on exactly what she is trying to communicate. To me she is strangely proposing illegal action because the federal government is doing something with taxation. To me she is using “dog whistle words” to speak to whack-jobs with more guns than sense. To me she seems to be calling for treasonous attacks on our rule of law.
Everyone here is fairly partisan about these things… we don’t count in the grand scheme. The independents and moderates can not be comfortable with a sitting official using such loose and hateful speech with no recognition of its’ potential effects. If some sad sack can murder because he can’t get a date, think what is going on in the minds of disaffected right-wing gun owners when they hear her ask them to be “armed and dangerous.” I think she has increased the danger level of every government employee, especially the police, in Minnesota with her call to arms. She is encouraging any potential Timothy McVeighs out there to act.
I wish I had the time to respond but you’re both hopeless. Good luck with your lynch mob.
C”Rush”
“I wish I had the time to respond but you’re both hopeless.”
LOLOLS
You’re sure good at this hobby of yours, dittohead.
…and you’re not, Ni-troll.
Cman next time you are curling up with Michelle you can quote the following. It is the answer to the seriously stupid question she was asking today… She wanted to know where in the Constitution the Executive Branch found its’ ability to actually try to save the economy ruined by twits like her. Do I even have to mention that this sorry excuse for a Minnesotan is IN CONGRESS!
“Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
…
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
…
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
Cman your the one defending a hateful moron, I’m just asking that she be responsible for her words and actions.
…the hateful morons here are the libtards, period.
Gipper: the pavlovian response liberals have to Bachmann is giving money to the Democratic Party. She’s the best national fundraising tool we have!
I love coming to read the complete shit spewed up by libtards. It encourages me to work harder to ensure that people like Michelle with the right ideas, stay in office. I have to dig a little deeper to donate more to Republicans and Libertarians, but if I can help keep them in office and help defeat pieces of shit like Franken, it is worth it. I want to see libtards cry…
CMan said: One thing we learned before the election and now, is that because you would do most anything to derail Bachmann, you take her words out of context to try and hang her with them. The dems drastically tried to defeat her with the Chris Matthew’s interview before the election to no avail.
Derail, you say? No, it’s about an election process. Either you elect, or you don’t. And the only reason I wouldn’t vote for her is because of things like this — she’s asking for her constituents to b armed and dangerous. And then she goes on about revolutions.
Also, another reason I would’t vote for her: She seems out of touch with mainstream constituents. She’s worried about the rich and taxation, instead of worried about the majority of the people in her district. It seems to me that she’s worried about her neighbors who also live in mansions, instead of worrying about how to keep this nation afloat.
Lightbulb loony Bachman doesn’t need our help to derail - she’s doing that all by her widdle self.
Yeah, all fun and games aside, I see a few good quotes for some lit pieces next time around. But how can they let her say and do those things while representing us? I think the CIA should get on it. I would.
Latest picture of Michelle Bachman:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30835791@N07/3301848241/
I couldn’t resist!
Bachmanns husband does a great job applying Michelle’s makeup, doesn’t he?
Have you ever had an intelligent comment Ni-troll, or just the pathetic, inane bullshit you keep puking up?
LOLOLS
Bachmann represents you perfectly.
Hey, what are the grounds for a recall of a US Representative?
Do you want to recall Pelosi, Frank or both?
“The Truth”,
Ever flameout?
LOLOLS
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