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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35981</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&quot;Rush&quot;,

&lt;i&gt; &quot;A sound investment takes into consideration the ramifications to more than one scenario in the future.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Where was this voice the past 8 years, before all the bubbles that burst?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8221;Rush&#8221;,</p>
<p><i> &#8220;A sound investment takes into consideration the ramifications to more than one scenario in the future.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Where was this voice the past 8 years, before all the bubbles that&nbsp;burst?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35980</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DantheMan,

&lt;i&gt; &quot;There are billions and billions and billions of dollars in these bills that are of questionable value and on which it is nearly impossible to find a Return on Investment that will benefit the greater good.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Such as?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DantheMan,</p>
<p><i> &#8220;There are billions and billions and billions of dollars in these bills that are of questionable value and on which it is nearly impossible to find a Return on Investment that will benefit the greater good.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Such&nbsp;as?</p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35979</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&quot;Rush&quot;

&lt;i&gt; &quot; Is it possible she has a different agenda than the administration?&quot; &lt;i&gt;

Could you explain your typical right wing comment further? You are saying the Obama administration is not interested in the common good, but you do not explain why, dittohead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8221;Rush&#8221;</p>
<p><i> &#8221; Is it possible she has a different agenda than the administration?&#8221; </i><i></p>
<p>Could you explain your typical right wing comment further? You are saying the Obama administration is not interested in the common good, but you do not explain why,&nbsp;dittohead.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Nitro</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35978</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&quot;Rush&quot;,

Suddenly the dittoheads are the champions of fiscal responsibility.

That started in late 2008 for some reason.

You have no credibility, C&quot;Rush&quot;, and seem to offer only the deathbed lectures of a ideology on life support, and that is why your points ring hollow. You were an enabler of stupidity, and now, why should anyone still take a dittohead seriously?

At least with the Obama administration, the money is not being moved either out of the country or straight into the pockets of the wealthiest among us. That &quot;investment&quot; has yet to show any pay off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8221;Rush&#8221;,</p>
<p>Suddenly the dittoheads are the champions of fiscal&nbsp;responsibility.</p>
<p>That started in late 2008 for some&nbsp;reason.</p>
<p>You have no credibility, C&#8221;Rush&#8221;, and seem to offer only the deathbed lectures of a ideology on life support, and that is why your points ring hollow. You were an enabler of stupidity, and now, why should anyone still take a dittohead&nbsp;seriously?</p>
<p>At least with the Obama administration, the money is not being moved either out of the country or straight into the pockets of the wealthiest among us. That &#8220;investment&#8221; has yet to show any pay&nbsp;off.</p>
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		<title>By: CMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35977</link>
		<dc:creator>CMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;benefit the greater good&quot;

DtM--Holly is most assuredly looking for solutions to &quot;benefit the greater good&quot;. Is it possible she has a different agenda than the administration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;benefit the greater&nbsp;good&#8221;</p>
<p>DtM&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;Holly is most assuredly looking for solutions to &#8220;benefit the greater good&#8221;. Is it possible she has a different agenda than the&nbsp;administration?</p>
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		<title>By: DantheMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35976</link>
		<dc:creator>DantheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I will maintain, the rate we&#039;re spending money right now on questionable projects resembles a decked-out Lexus much more than a Focus.

&quot;but what about healthcare?  you call healthcare questionable&quot;?  Someone always seems to use the healthcare card.  There are billions and billions and billions of dollars in these bills that are of questionable value and on which it is nearly impossible to find a Return on Investment that will benefit the greater good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I will maintain, the rate we&#8217;re spending money right now on questionable projects resembles a decked-out Lexus much more than a&nbsp;Focus.</p>
<p>&#8220;but what about healthcare?  you call healthcare questionable&#8221;?  Someone always seems to use the healthcare card.  There are billions and billions and billions of dollars in these bills that are of questionable value and on which it is nearly impossible to find a Return on Investment that will benefit the greater&nbsp;good.</p>
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		<title>By: DantheMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35975</link>
		<dc:creator>DantheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When the majority hurts, it’s out of touch to talk about a Lexus.&quot;

You guys have completely missed my point on the Lexus.  Let&#039;s change the example to a Ford Focus, OK?  And then let&#039;s assume that the payment is $300, ok?  And my point is that there is still not room in the budget for that Ford Focus.  It is going to get repo&#039;d in 2 years, and the family&#039;s credit will be shot, and it is all because they spent stupidly, only thinking about the features of the focus and not thinking about if they were in a position to buy one.

And to take it a step further, buying that Ford Focus today may actually prevent them from helping pay for their kid&#039;s college in 3 years.  He or she will have to go into mega-debt to get a BA degree.  How sad.  All because they felt they could spend their way out of a problem, buying the Focus.

That is my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the majority hurts, it’s out of touch to talk about a&nbsp;Lexus.&#8221;</p>
<p>You guys have completely missed my point on the Lexus.  Let&#8217;s change the example to a Ford Focus, OK?  And then let&#8217;s assume that the payment is $300, ok?  And my point is that there is still not room in the budget for that Ford Focus.  It is going to get repo&#8217;d in 2 years, and the family&#8217;s credit will be shot, and it is all because they spent stupidly, only thinking about the features of the focus and not thinking about if they were in a position to buy&nbsp;one.</p>
<p>And to take it a step further, buying that Ford Focus today may actually prevent them from helping pay for their kid&#8217;s college in 3 years.  He or she will have to go into mega-debt to get a BA degree.  How sad.  All because they felt they could spend their way out of a problem, buying the&nbsp;Focus.</p>
<p>That is my&nbsp;point.</p>
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		<title>By: CMan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with investing in the future. A sound investment takes into consideration the ramifications to more than one scenario in the future. In this case can we pay for the debt if things don&#039;t go well, or are we only looking at a scenario of a strong and growing economy. I do fear that in a deep recession that tackling numerous huge projects can bankrupt us if we don&#039;t consider degrees of success. Hopefully congress can look at reality (not holding my breath) and not bite off more than we can chew. If I have a college student that ends up with a $60,000 loan at the end of 4 years, could he/she have been able to get a similar education and end up with a $30,000 loan? Families are certainly asking themselves those questions under the current circumstances. Why shouldn&#039;t the government have to use the same restraints other than it&#039;s taxpayer money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with investing in the future. A sound investment takes into consideration the ramifications to more than one scenario in the future. In this case can we pay for the debt if things don&#8217;t go well, or are we only looking at a scenario of a strong and growing economy. I do fear that in a deep recession that tackling numerous huge projects can bankrupt us if we don&#8217;t consider degrees of success. Hopefully congress can look at reality (not holding my breath) and not bite off more than we can chew. If I have a college student that ends up with a $60,000 loan at the end of 4 years, could he/she have been able to get a similar education and end up with a $30,000 loan? Families are certainly asking themselves those questions under the current circumstances. Why shouldn&#8217;t the government have to use the same restraints other than it&#8217;s taxpayer&nbsp;money?</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Cairns</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35973</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point others might be making is that few are driving the Lexus, or asking for a Lexus.  When the majority hurts, it&#039;s out of touch to talk about a Lexus.

I think we&#039;ll have to make cuts, yes, and sadly they will be unpopular because (once again, and more so) people will hurt.  But what do we cut?  It&#039;s easy to drive the Lexus and suggest cuts, DtheM.  Is that why you suggest a &quot;Lexus&quot; analogy?  You looked out the window?

And so, on to:  How do we fix this mess?  

How do we use bailout money wisely?  

I think we need to regulate to protect the middle class&#039; ability to prosper, and make sure there are checks and balances.  I&#039;m thinking we&#039;re not hearing enough about checks and balances.  

It&#039;s scary when the govnt steps in and asks for a CEO to resign and then suggests a plan for what would fix GM. 

As Obama (and others) send out these &quot;suggestions&quot;, there should be talk of how the govn&#039;t doesn&#039;t want to be involved in making these decisions, but is doing so to help save jobs.  

It would be nice to hear things like:  &lt;i&gt;and here&#039;s the end, or extent, of our goven&#039;t involvement.  Once this is done and this is done, we&#039;re at this point and this will happen&lt;/i&gt;.

Meanwhile, what jobs are being created back here?  When does that happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point others might be making is that few are driving the Lexus, or asking for a Lexus.  When the majority hurts, it&#8217;s out of touch to talk about a&nbsp;Lexus.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ll have to make cuts, yes, and sadly they will be unpopular because (once again, and more so) people will hurt.  But what do we cut?  It&#8217;s easy to drive the Lexus and suggest cuts, DtheM.  Is that why you suggest a &#8220;Lexus&#8221; analogy?  You looked out the&nbsp;window?</p>
<p>And so, on to:  How do we fix this&nbsp;mess?  </p>
<p>How do we use bailout money&nbsp;wisely?  </p>
<p>I think we need to regulate to protect the middle class&#8217; ability to prosper, and make sure there are checks and balances.  I&#8217;m thinking we&#8217;re not hearing enough about checks and&nbsp;balances.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s scary when the govnt steps in and asks for a CEO to resign and then suggests a plan for what would fix&nbsp;GM. </p>
<p>As Obama (and others) send out these &#8220;suggestions&#8221;, there should be talk of how the govn&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t want to be involved in making these decisions, but is doing so to help save&nbsp;jobs.  </p>
<p>It would be nice to hear things like:  <i>and here&#8217;s the end, or extent, of our goven&#8217;t involvement.  Once this is done and this is done, we&#8217;re at this point and this will&nbsp;happen</i>.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, what jobs are being created back here?  When does that&nbsp;happen?</p>
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		<title>By: DantheMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/democrats-pass-ambitious-budget/#comment-35972</link>
		<dc:creator>DantheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to disagree with the analogy of a family grappling with if they should send their kid to college.  I would give the same advice -- don&#039;t shortchange your future.

So using my Lexus analogy, and Obama&#039;s college analogy, perhaps the real question is this:

How do we ensure our elected officials have the wisdom to separate the Lexus from the college tuition?  These bills have alot of each in them.  Let&#039;s strip away the $700 a month Lexus.  Let&#039;s not skimp on the college tuition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to disagree with the analogy of a family grappling with if they should send their kid to college.  I would give the same advice&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;don&#8217;t shortchange your&nbsp;future.</p>
<p>So using my Lexus analogy, and Obama&#8217;s college analogy, perhaps the real question is&nbsp;this:</p>
<p>How do we ensure our elected officials have the wisdom to separate the Lexus from the college tuition?  These bills have alot of each in them.  Let&#8217;s strip away the $700 a month Lexus.  Let&#8217;s not skimp on the college&nbsp;tuition.</p>
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