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	<title>Comments on: Star Tribune Falsely Editorializes Franken Gain</title>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/star-tribune-falsely-editorializes-franken-gain/#comment-36587</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the disabled person in Franken&#039;s video have his wife fill out his ballot, isn&#039;t that the same illegal behavior? And as far as a right, not a privilege, its a damn shame when you have to tell a soldier that his absentee vote is not a right, its a privilege.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the disabled person in Franken&#8217;s video have his wife fill out his ballot, isn&#8217;t that the same illegal behavior? And as far as a right, not a privilege, its a damn shame when you have to tell a soldier that his absentee vote is not a right, its a&nbsp;privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: NorthernMNer</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/star-tribune-falsely-editorializes-franken-gain/#comment-36585</link>
		<dc:creator>NorthernMNer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This nonsense about different standards needs to be questioned and confronted at every opportunity.  The Election Contest Court (ECC) has applied a consistent and exacting standard to their scrutiny of which ballots may be counted.  

Coleman brought the election to the ECC, and has had ample resources to try and prove that the mythical 4400 ballots should be included.  It is very telling to me that Twice Blessed and other Coleman apologists will never clearly articulate what standards should be used to scrutinize the rejected absentee ballots.  They also will never specify what makes the 4400 different from other, properly rejected ballots, or what criteria they applied to arrive at that number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This nonsense about different standards needs to be questioned and confronted at every opportunity.  The Election Contest Court (ECC) has applied a consistent and exacting standard to their scrutiny of which ballots may be&nbsp;counted.  </p>
<p>Coleman brought the election to the ECC, and has had ample resources to try and prove that the mythical 4400 ballots should be included.  It is very telling to me that Twice Blessed and other Coleman apologists will never clearly articulate what standards should be used to scrutinize the rejected absentee ballots.  They also will never specify what makes the 4400 different from other, properly rejected ballots, or what criteria they applied to arrive at that&nbsp;number.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/star-tribune-falsely-editorializes-franken-gain/#comment-36583</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Republicans are calling for Coleman to consider dropping out, thats hardly the whole &quot;quarter.&quot; 

I don&#039;t recall MNpublius claiming the DFL wanted Al Franken to drop out when a full third of its members voted for Pricilla Lord Faris in the primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Republicans are calling for Coleman to consider dropping out, thats hardly the whole&nbsp;&#8220;quarter.&#8221; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall MNpublius claiming the DFL wanted Al Franken to drop out when a full third of its members voted for Pricilla Lord Faris in the&nbsp;primary.</p>
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		<title>By: amuseinc</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/star-tribune-falsely-editorializes-franken-gain/#comment-36573</link>
		<dc:creator>amuseinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norm Coleman reminds me of the movie fighter who is getting his clock cleaned but keeps getting up to take another punch. The whole audience is feeling the pain of a punch drunk fool still trying to pretend he has a chance to win. Norm have someone throw in the towel for you dignities sake.

There is a reason that they have a Little League 10 run rule... it helps no one to bludgeon a team so out of its&#039; league that they are that far down. Right now Norm has lost every ruling, the  recount and the election. He will lose the Minnesota Supreme Court case if it is even accepted. Is he going on in the hopes that the US Supreme Court will ignore 250 years of states rights, the Constitution and the votes of Minnesota citizens to seat his whiny ass in the Senate? Remember that even if that happens he still has to explain some financial shenanigans to the FBI. 

The only reason Norm Coleman is doing this stumble bum routine is that he thinks he will be rewarded by the national Republican Party for getting in the way of seating the 59th Democrat in the Senate. A good guess is that after he concedes his loss, they will look at the money wasted and the damage done to their political goals and pass on doing anything for the opportunist twit. Look how well it worked out for Scooter Libby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm Coleman reminds me of the movie fighter who is getting his clock cleaned but keeps getting up to take another punch. The whole audience is feeling the pain of a punch drunk fool still trying to pretend he has a chance to win. Norm have someone throw in the towel for you dignities&nbsp;sake.</p>
<p>There is a reason that they have a Little League 10 run rule&#8230; it helps no one to bludgeon a team so out of its&#8217; league that they are that far down. Right now Norm has lost every ruling, the  recount and the election. He will lose the Minnesota Supreme Court case if it is even accepted. Is he going on in the hopes that the US Supreme Court will ignore 250 years of states rights, the Constitution and the votes of Minnesota citizens to seat his whiny ass in the Senate? Remember that even if that happens he still has to explain some financial shenanigans to the&nbsp;FBI. </p>
<p>The only reason Norm Coleman is doing this stumble bum routine is that he thinks he will be rewarded by the national Republican Party for getting in the way of seating the 59th Democrat in the Senate. A good guess is that after he concedes his loss, they will look at the money wasted and the damage done to their political goals and pass on doing anything for the opportunist twit. Look how well it worked out for Scooter&nbsp;Libby.</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/star-tribune-falsely-editorializes-franken-gain/#comment-36571</link>
		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The call for Coleman to quit is coming from all quarters.  This includes the DFL, Minnesota Republicans, and conservative columnists.  Don&#039;t be an idiot, indeed.  Beam, eye, mote, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The call for Coleman to quit is coming from all quarters.  This includes the DFL, Minnesota Republicans, and conservative columnists.  Don&#8217;t be an idiot, indeed.  Beam, eye, mote,&nbsp;etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the franken campaign must have mailed landry another check. What a moronic post. This quote might be the dumbest of all: 

&quot;Oh, and it’s nice to see the Star Tribune pinning the DFL as the people calling Coleman to quit&quot; 

Aaron, the DFL has a link on their website to a external site using giveitupnorm.com as the URL, don&#039;t be an idiot and think for yourself for once, I am embarrassed for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the franken campaign must have mailed landry another check. What a moronic post. This quote might be the dumbest of&nbsp;all: </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, and it’s nice to see the Star Tribune pinning the DFL as the people calling Coleman to&nbsp;quit&#8221; </p>
<p>Aaron, the DFL has a link on their website to a external site using giveitupnorm.com as the URL, don&#8217;t be an idiot and think for yourself for once, I am embarrassed for&nbsp;you!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Thiessen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Thiessen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be asking Franken to step aside if it was apparent that after a thorough and impartial look at all the ballots, Coleman won the election.  I think that would be true for many of the commentators on this blog.  This is a Minnesota election and in the absence of an obvious abrogation of existing Minnesota law, it should be decided in Minnesota.  To date I don’t see any evidence that the laws have been violated.  The contest is not over yet.  If it is appealed to the Minnesota Supreme Court then we will all have an opportunity to see how it is handled.

Whether I prefer Franken over Coleman is irrelevant.  Whether most of us trust the process by which we choose our elected officials is highly relevant.  That trust would be damaged ir if either of these candidates attempts to circumvent the electoral process to gain this seat. 

This contest remains to be decided.  The legitimacy of the outcome of this process will be evident when it is finally decided.  The candidates themselves will be held personally responsible for the legitimacy of the outcome.  They should both remain cognizant of that fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be asking Franken to step aside if it was apparent that after a thorough and impartial look at all the ballots, Coleman won the election.  I think that would be true for many of the commentators on this blog.  This is a Minnesota election and in the absence of an obvious abrogation of existing Minnesota law, it should be decided in Minnesota.  To date I don’t see any evidence that the laws have been violated.  The contest is not over yet.  If it is appealed to the Minnesota Supreme Court then we will all have an opportunity to see how it is&nbsp;handled.</p>
<p>Whether I prefer Franken over Coleman is irrelevant.  Whether most of us trust the process by which we choose our elected officials is highly relevant.  That trust would be damaged ir if either of these candidates attempts to circumvent the electoral process to gain this&nbsp;seat. </p>
<p>This contest remains to be decided.  The legitimacy of the outcome of this process will be evident when it is finally decided.  The candidates themselves will be held personally responsible for the legitimacy of the outcome.  They should both remain cognizant of that&nbsp;fact.</p>
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		<title>By: amuseinc</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/04/star-tribune-falsely-editorializes-franken-gain/#comment-36554</link>
		<dc:creator>amuseinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Math gives me hives but if I am not mistaken in the American electoral system one more vote counts as much as 1,000 or 10,000 more votes. Al Franken won by the thinnest of margins but none the less has won after an intensive count followed by a manual recount and a three month long transparent election court procedure of all legally cast ballots. So far every accommodation has been made to Norm Coleman and his legal team. It went so far as the Coleman witnesses wanting their ballots counted even though they had explicitly broken the legal requirements for voting via absentee ballot.

What more can be done without completely throwing out all the laws in place for absentee ballots? All DFLers want every legal ballot counted, they just don&#039;t want to change thye rules after the game has been played and winner announced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Math gives me hives but if I am not mistaken in the American electoral system one more vote counts as much as 1,000 or 10,000 more votes. Al Franken won by the thinnest of margins but none the less has won after an intensive count followed by a manual recount and a three month long transparent election court procedure of all legally cast ballots. So far every accommodation has been made to Norm Coleman and his legal team. It went so far as the Coleman witnesses wanting their ballots counted even though they had explicitly broken the legal requirements for voting via absentee&nbsp;ballot.</p>
<p>What more can be done without completely throwing out all the laws in place for absentee ballots? All DFLers want every legal ballot counted, they just don&#8217;t want to change thye rules after the game has been played and winner&nbsp;announced.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally I&#039;m with you guys, but as a math teacher I can&#039;t sit idly by on this one: 87 votes is indeed &quot;ever so slightly&quot; since we really should be comparing to the total number of votes cast, not to Franken&#039;s original lead. This really shows how us wonks may be losing a bit of perspective with our noses so close to a few ballots for so long.

I do agree the STRIB is a tool, for lots of other reasons.  And that Norm should let it go - losing by &quot;ever so slightly&quot; is still losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally I&#8217;m with you guys, but as a math teacher I can&#8217;t sit idly by on this one: 87 votes is indeed &#8220;ever so slightly&#8221; since we really should be comparing to the total number of votes cast, not to Franken&#8217;s original lead. This really shows how us wonks may be losing a bit of perspective with our noses so close to a few ballots for so&nbsp;long.</p>
<p>I do agree the STRIB is a tool, for lots of other reasons.  And that Norm should let it go - losing by &#8220;ever so slightly&#8221; is still&nbsp;losing.</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t have to.  He won it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t have to.  He won&nbsp;it.</p>
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