The fundraising committee for Senate Republicans has invested heavily in Norm Coleman’s ongoing battle in Minnesota, including about $938,000 last month alone.
Considering that Senate Republicans have another rough election year ahead of them, you’d think they would recognize the writing on the wall and start saving that money for Senate candidates in 2010. It’s absolutely sick to me that they’re willing to throw away $1 million per month just to keep Franken out of the Senate for another month or two.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
Is anything supposed to happen in Coleman/Franken tomorrow?
If this past 8 months of Franken being kept out of office means less money for other races, resulting in even more election loses for the Republicans, Huzza! In fact, I’d give Franken even more credit for his tenacity and competence, which is why he’s still in this thing.
No wonder the Republicans are in such an out roar over him.
Hehehehehe,
Since Republicans seem to be still fighting international communism and the institution of the federal income tax, why are you surprised at them doing everything backwards? Being a conservative means you get to live in the past inside your head forever.
Republican does not equal conservative. Just like Democrat does not equal liberal.
Quit conflating the two.
But, but, most republicans consider themselves, and label themselves as being conservative.
Lojasmo, republicans may consider themselves conservatives, but it DOESN’T MEAN CONSERVATIVES ARE REPUBLICANS.
Jason wants to redefine Republican and Democrat permanently, it seems (at least on this blog).
Good luck with that, Man.
Jason don’t argue with us over these semantics take it up the Republicans. You seem to insist you are the paragon of conservative thought. Teach them the errors of their ways. In another thread I listed some 10 different Republican leaders, each and everyone has been publicly quoted as self defining themselves as conservatives. Start writing the letters to make sure they are correctly self-defining themselves as whatever in the hell you think they are other than conservatives.
Good luck with that.
Playing word games about politics is a little like reading a cook book. Sure makes you feel “kitcheny” but doesn’t put any food in your stomach.
Your problem is with Republicans. Labeling them as a conservative is just lazy.
I have problems with both conservatives and republicans
No Jason, pretending that your semantic games mean anything at all to the prevailing political parties is lazy. You get to give up and do nothing in a pragmatic way to improve our country as you sit on the sidelines jerking yourself off.
I have seen more than one pseudo-intellectual failed poly sci major taking potshots because the reality of governing is compromise and voting by citizens who have no interest in artificial bullshit. Completely incapable of realizing that American lives are at risk in foreign lands because of political decisions, that family fortunes can rise and fall over educational budgets and that it isn’t a game.
Your whole I’ll define the discussion is lame and reminds me of those libertarian fantasists who keep insisting we try a philosophy of governing that has never in the history of the world been successful or tried for that matter.
Amuseinc,
I could not agree more. If you read about how civil rights got passed in this country, starting with a watered-down bill in 1957 sponsored by LBJ in the Senate, you come to realize that without the 1957 bill, meaningless as it was from a legal perspective (because it didn’t really change things but laid a foundation for the 1964 and 1965 bills which did), you see that in politics, first steps are often tentative, but necessary, for later more ground-breaking legislation to build upon. Democratic politics isn’t a perfectly orderly system of governing. Reform our system, but let’s not delude ourselves that the current GOP and Democratic parties are the same. That’s complete nonsense.
Libertarianism - if it hasn’t been tried, how in the heck can you say its never been successful?
And your claim that “citizens have no interest in artificial bullshit?” Watch the political TV commercials in October, “artificial bullshit” is the only thing the citizens are interested in.
Sober up before you post again.
OK Danny tell me a single country that has practiced Libertarianism in the history of the world. Make sure to point out how immensely successful said Libertarian country was over 50 to 100 years. Where is the proof of concept?
By the way for the last 15 years I have asked this same question to every self-professed Libertarian and not a single one has been able to come up with an answer. This is not because it is a difficult question. It is because there has never been a single successful country with any length of time governed by Libertarian principles.
amuseinc keeps asking the same question only because he found a way to formulate one where he gets the answer he wants even if it provides no insight and proves nothing. The question is the same structure as the “Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no” gotcha crap used by partisans as a replacement for actual curiosity.
Asking a question that supposes that because there has never been a militarily defended named geographic area that has defined its structure of law as libertarian means that those ideas are completely invalid is beyond ridiculous. By that measure the fact that there has never been a country that bases its form of government solely on the ideas of amuseinc means that everything amuseinc says must be bullshit.
Of course there have been plenty of things that hadn’t been tried that were found to be correct. Things like the earth revolving around the sun were discounted as heresy by those with an interested in the status quo. Amuseinc has just replaced a church of god for a church of partisanship.
Whether amuseinc repeats the question becasue he is too stupid to understand what he is saying or as a conscious effort to obfuscate can only be know by him.
troll alert!
Wow. Good work.
Here’s what I do - I work, I pay attention to my wife (unlike many Republicans) and my kids (like many politicians.) I drive my kids to and from school. I spend two hours a night with them doing their homework. I teach them foreign languages and how to play sports. I take them to museums and to parks. We donate and help others when we can. And I enjoy me a little college football at TCF and Michigan Stadium, and soccer whenever I can.
That’s my idea of living. You’ll notice the government has little to nothing to do with it, and I have little interest in telling others how to live. I see little reason to change that.
Kerosene please try and get with the real world. Reality demands that some kind of proof or even something remotely resembling logic is need for any pragmatic action. Otherwise it is as complete a bullshit thing as libertarianism. I mean I can prove that the Earth is round and in fact people could do it long before they had scientific proof. Since neither you nor any other libertarian can even point to a city-state, village, hamlet or any other government ever in the history of mankind as a proof… well what is the point of spewing such nonsense.
Howl all you want but it still remains unproven, impractical and foolish. Not because I say it is so but because mankind has proven it so. Can you honestly say you think that an unproven, never practiced political method is valid simply because some people say it is?
For what it’s worth, the United States is considered the 8th most libertarian nation on the earth. Your winner? Estonia.
While I have no idea where you got your “list” from I will point out two things.
1. Estonia has a population of less than half the Twin Cities metro area yet has a parliament of 101 members. Somehow that strikes me as a pretty big government presence along with its’ political definition as a parliamentary republic with multiple political parties. Kind of removed from the ideal libertarian state, especially considering their drug, drinking, minority population and recession problems.
2. Whooohoo we’re in the top ten. Problem solved. USA!USA!USA! We are a libertarian nation so we don’t have to listen to those bores whine anymore.
amuseinc -
You really seem to be an angry person, and i’m not sure where the “drug” and “drinking” shots at Estonia came from.
- 1 to you.
amuseinc gets bitchy with accuracy and meaning. Two things that interfere with his amoral vied. He has the attitude that anything difficult isn’t worth doing and that might equals right. A philosophy…scratch that, a perspective… no still to strong, a musing that aspires to be pseudo-intellectual. What is right to people like him is anything he can get away with. Where practicality trumps everything else. Where the only things worth doing are those comprehensible to those as fundamentally stupid as he is.
That it is people with his complete lack of imagination and if it doesn’t work do it again mentality that are what put Americans in harms way in foreign lands. The if I don’t like it shoot it or make it illegal method to social progress. Morality is to hard for his ilk simply for the fact that it doesn’t include instant gratification.
They excuse making bad decisions becasue they provide change now even if it has long term costs that far outweigh any immediate benefit. They want something to take credit for even if it is negative becasue they will never acknowledge they have made a mistake anyway so it doesn’t really matter.
Sorry Jason I am not even close to angry… in fact I’m laughing as I write about misguided libertarians who mouth the words of support for personal freedom but absolutely hate that the actual American voters want nothing to do with them. I think there have been libertarians elected to city governments out west but all in all they define futility as a political philosophy.
Your one country example of Estonia would be just sad if it wasn’t so wrong on all counts. Mostly because the Estonians wouldn’t recognize an American Libertarian if it moved in next door. Estonia is a tiny, tiny Baltic country that has one of the worst drug and drinking problem in Eastern Europe. If you know anything about Eastern Europe that is saying quite a lot. They have a very pro-business government, until recently, but are far from the top of the list in any category except your libertarian principles issue. Estonia has taken it on the chin in a major way with the present recession.
Estonia has become somewhat a pariah nation for the manufacture and transshipment of illegal and harmful drugs. When the Dutch consider you as a drug problem you have to be doing something really wrong. The EU is very concerned with the massive Estonian money laundering system used by criminal gangs from China, Russia and well just about everywhere. The small population has serious drug problems with heroin addicts. Ethnic Russians are a significant and discriminated against minority. A recent Gay Pride parade was set upon by skinheads while the police looked on. All in all it is not a paradise of libertarian principles and in fact it is joke to have you call them the #1 libertarian country in the world. Muddling along into the 21st Century it is hardly a paragon of anything.
Perhaps the funniest part of libertarian supporters is that they actually haven’t got anything to support. It isn’t a philosophy of government, it is a tantrum. Sort of the equivalent of organizing an Anarchist Convention when the only principle you have is whatever you can think “freedom” is in the moment.
Wow. Shouldn’t the righties stay on message?
Amuseinc, that’s a very astute observation,
to say that the
Libertarians are basically a tantruming child.
Screaming in the candy aisle.
Guess we must prove that Libertarianism does no work -
at our expense
by trying to see if we can form a government around an “anti-everything” tantrum?
Libertarianism only “works” when its not responsible for any stability in the world.
It can only be reactionary, complaining about the status quo.
When its just that grandstand squealing in aisle 3. With mom & dad dragging the tantruming child home.
Correction.
Maybe there IS a “libertarian” government: Gaddafi’s Libya?