I suppose this is reasonable — after all, the economy collapsed under the Bush administration, and the Obama administration has been making slow but steady progress towards a recovery. I just expected that after a while, people would start to lose sight of why we’re in the mess we’re in, but it appears that so far, we haven’t forgotten.
22. Who do you think is more responsible for the current state of the economy — President Barack Obama or former President George W. Bush? (ROTATE)
Obama Bush (Both equally) (Other) (Don’t know) 27-28 Oct 09 18% 58 9 12 3 21-22 Jul 09 16% 61 5 14 4 [Via Political Wire]
Not shocked. Bush was clearly in over his head from the start, and did a spectacular job of botching nearly everything he meddled with.
Since we’re trading recipes, here’s one for disaster.
Elect the most leftist President in history.
Add a cup of Chicago politics.
Mix with a dozen Marxist advisers.
Add a large dash of unrestrained power to liberal Congressional Democrats.
Start baking at 1.4 trillion….
Put own head in sand.
Keep hoping.
The prognosticative powers of conservatives is well known and was demonstrated often during the Bush administration. For eight years, we heard nothing from the conservatives but warnings about going to war based on lies, predictions about the devastating impact tax cuts for the wealthy will have on the economy, and how ill advised it is to hunt with an alcoholic sociopathic vice president. Their string spot on prognostications borders on the psychic. I always bear that in mind whenever I read little kathy's posts.
lojasmo,
Since we’re trading recipes, here’s one for disaster:
Elect the most leftist President in history.
Add a cup of Chicago politics.
Mix with a dozen Marxist advisers.
Add a dash of unrestrained power to liberal Congressional Democrats.
Start baking at 1.4 trillion…
Gradually turn up the heat with health care reform and cap and trade.
Put own head in sand.
Keep hoping.
NUT ROLL
8 cups flour
1 lb butter
8 egg yolks reserve whites for filling
2 cakes yeast dissolved in 1/4 c. warm milk + 2 tsp. sugar
1 pint sour cream
1 tsp. baking soda
Preheat oven to 325F.
Work flour and butter as for pie dough. Add remaining ingredients. Mix thoroughly. Knead well on floured surface.
Divide into 6 parts. Wrap in plastic wrap and chill overnight.
Roll into 8 x 13 rectangle on a surface spinkled generously with powdered sugar. Keep the filling away from the edges - approximately 1/2" away.
Filling 5 to 6 cups of gound walnuts beat egg whites until stiff add 1 3/4 to 2 1/4 cups of sugar fold nuts in gradually let nut rolls rise for 30 min prior to baking.
Bake at 325 for 30 to 35 minutes until nicely brown.
Oops, sorry.
The magical mystery of comment posting combined with DST fall back earliness….
I like the second version best. I forgot an ingredient in the first.
Best,
K.
First, I have a problem with an economy belonging to a President. I've said that before on these boards, even when the economy was strong under Bush. The economy belongs to the workers, the businesses, Wall Street who finances it, and finally to the congress and executive branch. To say a man or woman who happens to be President is responsible for the economy is way, way, way too simplistic.
With that said, this recession will always be Bush's. Always. That is how our history categorizes recessions. Obama could be a total flop, not improve things, and not get re-elected, and this recession would still be Bush's. That is just how it works.
You've changed your tune.
No, I've always believed an economy is bigger than any one president.
I have, in the past, commented that IF the 2001-2008 economy was Bush's economy, then the post-January 2009 economy must be Obama's. Simply extending the logic presented by others because, as I point out above, that seems to be the prevailing popular belief.
But I also said in October 2008 that this economy would turn around within the next 4 years whether McCain or Obama was President. The economy is a machine of its own. I still believe that.
You and your ilk are hilarious Kathy. The current administration and congress represent the democratic will of the American people. Why do you keep saying and thinking America is leftist,communisist, marxist, etc. Kathy?
Alec is right, Kathy. The people spoke in November, and they wanted left-of-center leadership. I haven't seen evidence that Obama is way left. Pelosi, on the other hand, is an unrestrained leftist liberal. I see Obama as a decided step to the middle from her.
Sorry, Dan, but I have to say that I think anyone with a shred of honesty will admit that the policies now being advanced by this President are in total opposition to the "centrist" persona on which he based his campaign and that a majority of voters fell for. We can pick some other name for where this crew is taking us but pretending it's not what it is constitutes a head-in-sand denial.
If President Obama is a decided step to the middle, and had any executive managerial skill at all, he would have exercised a more active role in managing a Congressional health care reform process that wasn't tearing this country apart and would look with a very skeptical eye on the cap and trade bag o' tricks.
Both of these are "that-new-name-we're-all-deciding-on" legislative horrors.
Besides, if Obama wants to be a two-term President in this environment, he'll need to govern from the middle 1/3 of the political spectrum. I think he realizes that.
Kathy has some serious Fox issues.
Gotta love those dense talking points.
I have to agree - a president does not own the economy exactly - but a president can set the tone.
And yes, the economy MUST turn around, if only for survival eventually.
A big part of the problem is still that we have no hold on the corporations who see themselves
as bigger than a nation & no will to fix it.
Maybe we needed a full depression just to wake the Kathys who have not lost their jobs.
The economy also tanked under a Democratic Congress and Senate 2006-2008. Bush was supposed to be lame duck during the last two years the Dems were in charge on the hill.
Let's have one example of legislation passed (or promoted by) obama that doesn't have strong support from the American people.
I'll wait, but not hold my breath.
I think anyone with a shred of honesty will admit that the policies…
So anyone disagreeing with your position is dishonest. Okay. Trouble is, President Obama has been very consistent. If anything he has moved more toward the center then his campaign positions. And if you want him to be more active in the Health Care debate, I'm guessing that you have some hope that he could prevent the conservatives from making themselves look like the corrupt asses that they are. In that, I don't think even President Obama could help.
I am curious though, Kathy, explain to me please, your version of Cap and Trade and why it won't work. And please, include as many Jason Lewis talking points and inaccuracies as you would like.
Obama's health reform plan is not Pelosi's health reform plan. His included malpractice reform and only having the public option operate on member premiums — not tax dollars. His nomination of Sotomayor could have been alot further left than it was. Those are just a couple examples.
If this is about Pelosi, Heyer, and the regime… then you can count me in on opposing most of what they want to do in this Congress. But I'm seeing Obama as in a different spot from them.
Glad to know you're up on Jason Lewis talking points although I can't really quiz you since I don't listen to him.
If you'd like to actually avail yourself of something more than talking points, may I suggest Jim DeMint's new book. Read it. Do a little thinking. Take some notes.
And then, please feel free to share with me where and how you find his observations about our increasingly dangerous dependence on government to be faulty.
I'll watch for similar posts regarding the efficacy of this Administration and Congress's legislative efforts and you can give me your thoughts then.
That "strong support" thing you're so sure of….I really think not so much anymore.
Peggy nailed it here. The giddy glory of that January morning is fading….
http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
As much I as I agree that Obama isn't an extremist right now, it is hard to find "strong support" for any of his big policies. There was strong support for his approval rating for a while, but never for his specific policies. The support was directed more at the persona than the policy.
That not only didn't answer the question, but was a non-sequitor.
Try again. Assume that I don't want to read the rantings of tertiary syphilis patient Peggy Noonan, while you're at it.
Peggy Noolan, that's hilarious. She became irrelevant half way through Bush the Lesser's administration.
Glad to know you can't really respond with details when asked to. It'll help when considering your future posts. You really need to work on the details. Your opinions don't really mean shit.
Kathy, nice to have you on board the comment section.
Oh leave that little twit alone… she only comes here because she's tired of preaching to the no-nothing choir. You can ask for the facts, details and research all you want… she don't have any,
Bailing out the auto companies and bending over for the UAW. There, I named one.
Closing Guantanamo. Of course, that was only a pandering phony
photo op but there's two.
The pork-laden stimulus bill that had to be passed "right now". Not such a favorite.
This President is doing serious damage to the country. People are noticing. They don't like or support his programs. Oh, except, of course for folks who think that it's perfectly alright to pass legislation that allows them to steal wealth from their neighbors because they've absorbed the left's entitlement mentality.
Oh, and lojasmo…that name-calling thing…the go-to position for the intellectually bankrupt.
Actually, I come here for the same reason President Obama should have the backbone to appear on…oh, let's say…some Fox conservative pundit's show… and defend his point of view to all those other people in the country whose President he also "promised to be". After all, nearly half of the voters didn't vote for him.
And I do keep waiting for YOU to give ME some facts that justify the necessity of 1,900 pages of incomprehensible drivel passed off as quality health care for all. I'm pretty sure you'll find you didn't exactly get what you hoped for.
And, please don't come back at me with some blather about being selfish and greedy and not wanting to share. We have really fallen down the rabbit hole when wanting to work hard and provide for one's own self and family is to be denigrated and wanting everyone else to pay for your needs is the noble stance.
I tend to find that it's the people who really aren't very generous who assume no one else is, either. They are the ones who figure that since none of us give to charitable causes based on their own stinginess, then we have to MAKE people share by letting the government into their wallets so it can "fairly" re-distribute to everyone. I think we call them liberals.
I apologize to syphilis everywhere for associating it with Peggy Noonan.
I should clarify: Name some unpopular legislation that wasn't necessary to fix Bush's botched economy, and prevent the recession from extending into depression.
Most Americans support closing GITMO, by the way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...
"bending over for UAW" isn't legislation.
67% of Americans support Obama's handling of the stim. package.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114202/obama-upper-han...
BTW, Kathy: My taxes, in all likelihood will be increased significantly more than yours.
60-70% of Americans support the public option.
What a silly thing to say.
Oh, I think we're now seeing a group in Washington for whom the passage of "bending over" legislation is becoming the norm. I mean, they don't call it that because doing so would be too honest and we can't have that.
I'm reminded of this little story…
"Come the revolution", said the reformers, "we will all eat strawberries."
"But", said the dissident, "I don't like strawberries".
"Come the revolution, we will all like strawberries."
You can substitute the word "change" for "revolution", if you like.
I wonder if we took a poll and asked those same people if they approve of the creation of over a hundred new bureaucracies, boards, departments, and programs being created for the delivery of this shiny new health care surprise…..?