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	<title>Comments on: Loss of Local Government Aid means no cops for some cities</title>
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		<title>By: Waaaah waaaaa!</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-46533</link>
		<dc:creator>Waaaah waaaaa!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry the town is too small to be found on other websites...and too small to need a police force! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry the town is too small to be found on other websites&#8230;and too small to need a police&nbsp;force!</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-46532</link>
		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your town pooling with itself?  How do you qualify &quot;better service&quot;?  And which standalone functions are you using as comparison?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your town pooling with itself?  How do you qualify &quot;better service&quot;?  And which standalone functions are you using as&nbsp;comparison?</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-45707</link>
		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get now that you were being obtuse. 
 
$13K is probably half the salary of the local constabulary, as well as the rent for the office. 
 
You should pitch in. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get now that you were being&nbsp;obtuse. </p>
<p>$13K is probably half the salary of the local constabulary, as well as the rent for the&nbsp;office. </p>
<p>You should pitch&nbsp;in.</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-45706</link>
		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawlenty cut LGA, dude.  
 
Think, then post. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawlenty cut LGA,&nbsp;dude.  </p>
<p>Think, then&nbsp;post.</p>
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		<title>By: lojasmo</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-45705</link>
		<dc:creator>lojasmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wikidipedia: The source of idiots. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wikidipedia: The source of&nbsp;idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Amuseinc</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-45702</link>
		<dc:creator>Amuseinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No actual don&#039;t... but I&#039;d like to see your definition of rural versus urban. And a source for your &quot;fact.&quot;  
 
When it comes to distinguishing rural from urban, researchers and policymakers employ a dizzying array of definitions. There are at present the more than two dozen rural definitions currently used by Federal agencies and they are the experts. For the 1910 Census, rural meant open countryside and any place with fewer than 2,500 people. Over the same time period, thresholds for some USDA rural development programs were adjusted upward. For example, the Rural Housing Program began in 1949, serving communities with fewer than 2,500 people, but it now sets eligibility at less than 20,000 people.  
 
So Mr. Moose exactly what does your definition of rural involve? Depending on what you use for the boundary choice and  population threshold, the share of the U.S. population defined as rural and its socioeconomic characteristics can vary widely. In 2000, 21 percent of the U.S. population was designated rural using the Census Bureau&#8217;s land-use definition (outside urban areas of 2,500 or more people), compared with 17 percent for economically based nonmetro areas (outside metro areas of 50,000 or more). Alternative definitions increase that range to 49 percent rural. 
 
So lets do the analysis... give me your specific definition of rural. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No actual don&#039;t&#8230; but I&#039;d like to see your definition of rural versus urban. And a source for your&nbsp;&quot;fact.&quot;  </p>
<p>When it comes to distinguishing rural from urban, researchers and policymakers employ a dizzying array of definitions. There are at present the more than two dozen rural definitions currently used by Federal agencies and they are the experts. For the 1910 Census, rural meant open countryside and any place with fewer than 2,500 people. Over the same time period, thresholds for some USDA rural development programs were adjusted upward. For example, the Rural Housing Program began in 1949, serving communities with fewer than 2,500 people, but it now sets eligibility at less than 20,000&nbsp;people.  </p>
<p>So Mr. Moose exactly what does your definition of rural involve? Depending on what you use for the boundary choice and  population threshold, the share of the U.S. population defined as rural and its socioeconomic characteristics can vary widely. In 2000, 21 percent of the U.S. population was designated rural using the Census Bureau&rsquo;s land-use definition (outside urban areas of 2,500 or more people), compared with 17 percent for economically based nonmetro areas (outside metro areas of 50,000 or more). Alternative definitions increase that range to 49 percent&nbsp;rural. </p>
<p>So lets do the analysis&#8230; give me your specific definition of&nbsp;rural.</p>
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		<title>By: DantheMan</title>
		<link>http://mnpublius.com/2009/10/loss-of-local-government-aid-means-no-cops-for-some-cities/#comment-45679</link>
		<dc:creator>DantheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that pooling services like this makes alot of sense.  The town I live in has been pooling fire, police, and education for some time and it is good.  I wish they would pool their city offices as well -- it would improve services to all and decrease cost. 
 
I get better service from the pooled functions than I do from the standalone ones... but my example is just one person&#039;s opinion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that pooling services like this makes alot of sense.  The town I live in has been pooling fire, police, and education for some time and it is good.  I wish they would pool their city offices as well&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;it would improve services to all and decrease&nbsp;cost. </p>
<p>I get better service from the pooled functions than I do from the standalone ones&#8230; but my example is just one person&#039;s&nbsp;opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: DJZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did all other costs remain constant? Health care costs for employees went up over 40% alone. What about retirement benefits? 
With a city clerk, water and maintenance, public works and parks employees, it was probably the one cut that could be made where some of the work can be filled in from a contract (yes, they still have to pay the county sheriff for services). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did all other costs remain constant? Health care costs for employees went up over 40% alone. What about retirement benefits?<br />
With a city clerk, water and maintenance, public works and parks employees, it was probably the one cut that could be made where some of the work can be filled in from a contract (yes, they still have to pay the county sheriff for&nbsp;services).</p>
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		<title>By: NorthernMNer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorthernMNer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> 
Let me tell you how we feel.  Scared.  We all know there it is unlikely a  county sheriff would make it in time if we had a medical or violent emergency.  Doing without is something people in rural areas are acquainted with.   But emergency services are different.   Its a matter of life, not convenience here.    
 
The LGA reductions are a part of this, but a loss of thousands of dollars is certainly enough to lose personnel.   
 
And let&#039;s not go down the road of &quot;pay your own taxes for your own services&quot; road.  Unless, of course, we are all willing to educate our own kids, pay for our own emergency services, pave our own roads, hire our own air traffic controllers when we fly, and so on.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you how we feel.  Scared.  We all know there it is unlikely a  county sheriff would make it in time if we had a medical or violent emergency.  Doing without is something people in rural areas are acquainted with.   But emergency services are different.   Its a matter of life, not convenience&nbsp;here.    </p>
<p>The LGA reductions are a part of this, but a loss of thousands of dollars is certainly enough to lose&nbsp;personnel.   </p>
<p>And let&#039;s not go down the road of &quot;pay your own taxes for your own services&quot; road.  Unless, of course, we are all willing to educate our own kids, pay for our own emergency services, pave our own roads, hire our own air traffic controllers when we fly, and so&nbsp;on.</p>
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		<title>By: A Nony Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Nony Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If towns believe that they need to have police protection then their citizens should pay for it.   
 
Would everyone enjoy having other people&#039;s taxes pay for their own local services?  Sure.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If towns believe that they need to have police protection then their citizens should pay for&nbsp;it.   </p>
<p>Would everyone enjoy having other people&#039;s taxes pay for their own local services?&nbsp;Sure.</p>
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